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Subject:Framed porcelain fish plaque
Posted By: Martin Fri, Sep 03, 2021 IP: 89.19.88.150

Hi,

I am hoping someone can help me identify this framed porcelain plaque.the plaque measures approx 13 inches by 37 inches including frame.i am curious to what the seal mark and inscription says.i am greatful for any info you can give me .

Thanks

Martin







Subject:Re: Framed porcelain fish plaque
Posted By: I.Nagy Sun, Sep 05, 2021

Colophon reads,
己巳冬月鐵肩子
鄧碧珊畫於珠山客邸 
In Winter Month of the Year of Earth-Snake (1929)
Painted by Tiějiānzĭ Dèng Bìshān at Zhūshān Guesthouse

With regards,
I.Nagy

Subject:Re: Framed porcelain fish plaque
Posted By: Martin Mon, Sep 06, 2021

Thany you for the translation.
Does anyone have any experties on this artist or their style of painting?
I have attached some close ups of some of the detail.

Thanks in advance for any info







Subject:Re: Framed porcelain fish plaque
Posted By: I.Nagy Tue, Sep 07, 2021

Deng Bishan 1874-1930
Tiejianzi (Iron shoulder) - pseudonym
One of the "Eight Friends of Zhushan), renowned for his fish and algae paintings.
Deng Bishan's familie-rose fish alage porcelain painting is the first of its kind in porcelain at literaty painting.

With regards,
I.Nagy

Subject:Re: Framed porcelain fish plaque
Posted By: Mark Adams Thu, Dec 30, 2021

Mr Nagy is correct with the artist name.
However his works are heavily copied.
I believe yours is also a good copy.
The styling of the calligraphy is imo not correct.
Regards,
[email protected]



Subject:Re: Framed porcelain fish plaque
Posted By: M Sinnott Fri, Dec 31, 2021

Please see below two pictures of Deng Bishan porcelain panel in the China Institute Exhibition "The early phase of modernism"The panel is from the collection of Chen Haibo.

Please also see third picture of Framed porcelain fish plaque here in question to compare.As you can see the styling of the calligraphy of the Framed porcelain fish plaque here in question, matches favourably, the panel from the collection of Chen Haibo.Also both panels have the square intaglio Dengshi seal mentioned in the exhibition.







Subject:Re: Framed porcelain fish plaque
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Jan 02, 2022

Deng Bishan was born in 1874 and died in 1930. He was a member of the "Eight Friends of Zhushan", the premier group of porcelain painters at Jingdezhen during the early 20th century. His painting style and subject matter, particularly fish amidst waterweeds, are iconic of Chinese families with many sons.

When I spot alleged works by famous Chinese porcelain artists that are dated virtually to the eve of the artist's death, I'm automatically suspicious of the possibility they're fake. Here's a dealer's offering expressing similar qualms about a claimed vase by Deng (Link). Please note that this dealer has provided an incorrect date for Deng's death.

Also, I attach below some images of a covered box allegedly painted by Deng and with a two-character mark of Bishan. I've had it for almost a dozen years and have yet to authenticate it. I'd suggest you be wary of your plaque.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Framed porcelain fish plaque
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Jan 02, 2022

I dropped the link as well, sorry.

https://www.trocadero.com/stores/69aintandane/items/1174630/40cm-Bottle-Vase-signed-Deng-Bishan-Republic-1912-1949

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Framed porcelain fish plaque
Posted By: hello Sat, Dec 11, 2021

Hello, I happened to see your post. I like this work very much. Would you consider transferring it? Waiting for your reply, thank you.

Subject:Re: Framed porcelain fish plaque
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Jan 02, 2022

I believe I may have dropped the photos from my comment and include them here if that's the case.
Bill H.





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