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Subject:Need help with artist's signature Please!
Posted By: Sheri Milner Tue, May 04, 2021 IP: 184.21.2.50
I am trying to find out about this Antique scroll we have been fortunate to acquire. It has a wooden box as well that has an inscription on the outside as well as what we think is the artist's signature on the scroll. Would appreciate all the help anyone could send!

Thanks!







Subject:Re: Need help with artist's signature Please!
Posted By: I.Nagy Wed, May 05, 2021
Signature,
秋月筆　-　Shūgetsu-hitsu - Painted by Shūgetsu
Seal,
等觀　　-　Tōkan
Inscription on the box,
秋月筆　-　Shūgetsu-hitsu - Painted by Shūgetsu

Shūgetsu Tōkan 秋月等觀　（？-1529？）
Tōkan (Buddhist law-name)
Shūgetsu was a Zen Buddhist Painter in the late Muromachi period. Born in Satsuma as a vassal of the Shimazu clan under the name Takagi Shigekane.
Later he took the tonsure and became a monk and joined Sesshū Tōyō 雪舟等楊　as a disciple. In his later years he became the chief priest of Satsuma
Fukushō-ji Temple. Between 1493 and 1495 he spent two years in Ming Dynasty China.

Does look your picture that old ?

With regards,
I.Nagy

Subject:Re: Need help with artist's signature Please!
Posted By: Sheri Milner Wed, May 05, 2021
It does indeed look very old! I am trying to find a reputable place to get it appraised.

Subject:Re: Need help with artist's signature Please!
Posted By: Sheri Milner Wed, May 05, 2021
Is this a self portrait based on the wooden box script? I uploaded three more pics with the whole script and the end of the box script.

Thank you for all your help!







Subject:Re: Need help with artist's signature Please!
Posted By: peter Wed, May 05, 2021
signature and box say 秋月筆 shuugetsu hitsu. shuugetsu toukan 秋月等観 is a 16th century painter. with you images I am afraid your scroll does not convince me to trust this attribution.

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Subject:Re: Need help with artist's signature Please!
Posted By: Sheri Milner Wed, May 05, 2021
Why do you say you would not trust attribution?

Subject:Re: Need help with artist's signature Please!
Posted By: I.Nagy Thu, May 06, 2021
Pic.1,
秋月筆　　　　-　Shūgetsu-hitsu - Painted by Shūgetsu
Pic.2,
臨濟和尚之像　-　Rinzai oshō no zō　- Portrait of Priest Rinzai
Pic.3,
臨濟　　　　　- Rinzai
秋月筆　　　　-　Shūgetsu-hitsu - Painted by Shūgetsu

It is not a self-portrait. It depicts Rinzai Gigen
臨濟義玄 in Chinese Lin-chi I-hsűan　(-867)；the founder of the Lin-chi (Rinzai) School, one of the five Zen schools in China.

With regards,
I.Nagy

Subject:Re: Need help with artist's signature Please!
Posted By: Sheri Milner Thu, May 06, 2021
Thank you for your info!

I guess next steps are try to find a reputable dealer to obtain appraisal.

Subject:Re: Need help with artist's signature Please!
Posted By: peter Thu, May 06, 2021
I only see your small blurred photos to form an opinion, based on this the impression I get is not convincing. The box is pretty new (100y) too. One has to see all the details of the painting, close ups of the surface to judge the age better. Even if the painting has the age, it does not mean automaticly it bears the correct signature....
Has the painting older appraisels attached?
You could send better data to the mail adress you have from the post or present an download link.
peter

Subject:Re: Need help with artist's signature Please!
Posted By: Sheri Milner Thu, May 06, 2021
I have replied to your email.

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