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Subject:Chinese or early English?
Posted By: James Sat, Jul 02, 2022 IP: 2a01:4c8:489:fa25:40

I purchased this saucer dish along with a Lowestoft tea bowl and saucer, would anyone know if this is an 18th century Chinese piece? Thank you.



Subject:Re: Chinese or early English?
Posted By: Bill H Sat, Jul 02, 2022

Based on the floral and border patterns, your dish is Chinese, circa late 18th-early 19th century. Compare it to these pieces from my own collections, the earliest probably being the pair of cafe au lait bowls.

Best regards,

Bill H.







Subject:Re: Chinese or early English?
Posted By: James Sun, Jul 03, 2022

Hello Bill. Thank you for you response. Would the border be enough to prove they are Chinese? I have attached two 18th century Lowestoft porcelain images with similar border.
Best regards James.





Subject:Re: Chinese or early English?
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Jul 05, 2022

The Chinese imitated many Lowestoft patterns and exported them to England and elsewhere during the 18th century, so as plasticman suggests, a good view of the base would help greatly to refine the call on your saucer.

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Chinese or early English?
Posted By: plasticman Sun, Jul 03, 2022

If you include scans of the reverse side and maybe a close up of the pattern, it would make a definitive allocation more likely.

Subject:Re: Chinese or early English?
Posted By: James Butler Sun, Jul 10, 2022

I have taken some extra images of the saucer. Thank you.







Subject:Re: Chinese or early English?
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Jul 10, 2022

I'll leave a definitive response to placticman, while noting a recollection that English 18th century porcelain wares often had an entirely overglazed foot and a 'wipe line' left on the interior of its rim after firing by shrinking glaze that collected there from the practice of wiping excess glaze from the rest of the foot before the item was placed in the kiln. This may be present in your saucer but I can't decide from the photos whether I might just just be seeing reflections of the rim in the interior of the foot or not.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Chinese or early English?
Posted By: plasticman Mon, Jul 11, 2022

After review of the latest photos, in my opinion, the plate is an English work in the "chinoiserie"style. The flower painting technique and glaze of the foot ring both point me in that direction.


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