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Subject:Another not so green but with dragon vase.
Posted By: Pat Sun, Aug 15, 2021 IP: 173.79.201.194

I have two of these. Appreciate your expertise on this. Thank you.





Subject:Re: Another not so green but with dragon vase.
Posted By: Mark Adams Mon, Aug 16, 2021

Hi Pat,
Circa 60's.
Regards,
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Subject:Re: Another not so green but with dragon vase.
Posted By: Bill H Mon, Aug 16, 2021

The mark reads down and across from the right in six characters as "Made during the Chenghua Reign of the Great Ming Dynasty" (Da Ming Chenghua Nian Zhi - 大明成化年製). In my experience, it would be rare to find one, much less two such Ming or early Qing vases in this "contending colors" or "doucai" palette unless you paid several thousand dollars apiece for them. Not that identical pairs weren't made then. This mark of the famous Chenghua Emperor was copied onto many fabulous "doucai" porcelains of the later Ming and early Qing dynasty, such as seen in the images herewith of a matching pair of early 18th century dragon & phoenix cups with grounds of scrolling lotuses which hammered in at more than US$21,000 in a Sotheby's New York auction this past March. In my opinion, the palettes on your vases show enough variance of color and transparency to be modern era, though attractive in the decorative sense. Neither is the mark shown particularly convincing of the early era.

(PS: For moderators possibly concerned about proprietary imagery, I should add that the cups were submitted for the auction from my personal collection and thoroughly vetted by the auction house.)



Subject:Re: Another not so green but with dragon vase.
Posted By: Mark Adams Tue, Aug 17, 2021

Hi Bill H,
Nice to see you back and in good health. We were all very concerned.
Love your bowls btw. Absolutely stunning quality!
Regards,
[email protected]

Subject:Re: Another not so green but with dragon vase.
Posted By: Pat Tue, Aug 17, 2021

Thanks Mark and Bill, great information on the mark and style. Those bowls are beautiful. My uncle (where these came from) was a great traveler and spent way too much on many of these type of things, in his later years he had an antique shop in Palm Beach.

I will try to post more things tonight.

Thanks for this great forum and participants.

Subject:Re: Another not so green but with dragon vase.
Posted By: Mark Adams Tue, Aug 17, 2021

Just thought you might like this one font facing dragon dish from the Kangxi period.
Regards,
Mark





Subject:Re: Another not so green but with dragon vase.
Posted By: sean Tue, Aug 24, 2021

Hi Bill,
The quality of work is beautiful. I am concerned about the shape of the bowl as I have not seen such a shape before.

Best regards,
Sean

Subject:Re: Another not so green but with dragon vase.
Posted By: Mark Adams Wed, Aug 25, 2021

Hi Bill H,
I remember those dragon bowls.
Beautiful authentic examples.
Regards,
[email protected]


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