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Subject:Unknown marks
Posted By: Camilla Harrison Wed, Sep 26, 2018 IP: 86.186.47.85
Can anyone help me to identify the marks on two vases. One I believe may be Kyoto Satsuma but don't know the age, the other is probably more modern and perhaps Imari? Many thanks







Subject:Re: Unknown marks
Posted By: I.Nagy Sat, Sep 29, 2018
Reading of marks,
Pic.1,
火もどし　-　Himodoshi - Re-fired
小駒造 - Okoma-zō　　　- Made by Okoma
左十三 - Hidari 13 - Left No.13
Pic.2,
明治　　　-　Meiji - Japanese reign name 1868-1912
I hope an expert on the subject will join to comment.
With regards,
I.Nagy

Subject:Re: Unknown marks
Posted By: Camilla Harrison Sun, Sep 30, 2018
Many thanks for help! I too look forward to further comments from any other experts in this area, particularly on the second marking, but really appreciate the comments you have made in helping me to translate the signatures.

Subject:Re: Unknown marks
Posted By: Martin Michels Mon, Oct 01, 2018
I think that I.Nagy is spot on with translation the marks.

PIC 1 is a mark on Kyo-Satsuma ware, although this kind a ware is normally unmarked or just numbered and in case of a pair marked extra with left or right. Seldom is there a makers mark (Okoma or Kokoma), here also together with Dai Nippon (great Japan).

The mark on the other picture (Meiji) is strange to me. Never seen such a mark on Japanese ceramics. The little triangle next to the mark is often seen on Chinese ware, so I think this is a mark on a Chinese piece.
Martin.

Subject:Re: Unknown marks
Posted By: Camilla Harrison Tue, Oct 02, 2018
Many thanks Martin, that's really helpful. So does that mean the second set of marks are probably from a fake made in China?

Subject:Re: Unknown marks
Posted By: Martin Michels Tue, Oct 02, 2018
Fake from China. Possibly.
But you didn't post a picture of the other vase, if possible, try to post that and I can tell more, hopefully.
Regards,
Martin.

Subject:Re: Unknown marks
Posted By: Camilla Harrison Wed, Oct 03, 2018
Many thanks Martin, I have attached a couple of images of the vase as requested.





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Subject:Re: Unknown marks
Posted By: Bill H Mon, Oct 01, 2018
I believe the type of Japanese vase shown in the middle picture was made in large numbers for export to the West circa the Taisho period (1912-26).

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Unknown marks
Posted By: Martin Michels Wed, Oct 03, 2018
Not necessarily fake, but just a Chinese "Satsuma" decorative vase from the 3rd or 4th quarter of the 20th century.
Recognizable by the marks and decoration as Chinese.
The other one is Japanese, see comment Bill H.
Regards,
Martin.

Subject:Re: Unknown marks
Posted By: Camilla Thu, Oct 04, 2018
Many thanks Martin. I didn't pay very much at all for either of them, I just liked them and was keen/ curious to learn more about the markings for future reference, so that's been very helpful! Thank you

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