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Subject:Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: JayC Sat, Jan 28, 2017 IP: 65.128.111.246 I have a small, under glaze blue, porcelain bowl that is marked with a Chinese reign mark. The dragons, however, have no claws...they don't even have legs or feet but what appear to be flippers or fins. I have included some photos in the hope that someone will recognize this dragon. |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: Victor Sun, Jan 29, 2017 A very interesting Dish,possibly late Ming flying Dragon. |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Jan 29, 2017 I believe this dragon usually is called a "Makara", which type inhabits water and was absorbed into Chinese and Japanese beliefs from Hindu sources. However, this is the first instance of one I recall noticing without at least a pair of front legs. |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: JayC Mon, Jan 30, 2017 Hello and thank you for your quick reply. I have included a couple of photos from the bottom of the bowl. Again, thank you. I hope we can clarify this dragon...he is really unusual. |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: Bill H Wed, Feb 01, 2017 Your bowl's mark reads "Da Ming Xuande Nian Zao" (大明宣徳年造 - "Made during the Xuande Reign of the Great Ming Dynasty"), which ruled during the period 1426-1435. However, the Shanghai publication, "General Compilation of Markings on Chinese Historical Porcelains" (中国历代陶瓷款识大典 - Zhongguo lidai taoci kuanzhi dadian), only shows period Xuande porcelain marks that read "Da Ming Xuande Nian Zhi" (大明宣徳年製 - also read as "Made during the Xuande Reign of the Great Ming Dynasty"). This latter mark was copied during the Ming Jiajing and Wanli reigns, as well as the Qing Kangxi and Yongzhong reigns. Conversely, the Shanghai book only shows your mark of "Da Ming Xuande Nian Zao" as appearing during the reigns of Jiajing (1522-1566) and Wanli (1573-1619), with the one Jiajing example being an incised mark and several Wanli pieces in underglaze blue. |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: JayC Thu, Feb 02, 2017 Bill: |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: Bill H Fri, Feb 03, 2017 The double-gourd vase is labeled "Jianjing" but that's a typo. There wasn't a "Jianjing" reign during the Ming, only the Jiajing. |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: JayC Sat, Feb 04, 2017 Hello Bill: |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: Victor Fri, Feb 03, 2017 My tentative conclusion was Wanli based on the watery cobalt and manner of painting the Clouds. |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: victor Fri, Feb 03, 2017 This Wanli Plate also has a similar cobalt and Cloud decoration,unsold at Sothebys I think. |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: Walter Sat, Feb 04, 2017 Hi JayC, |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: Walter Sun, Feb 05, 2017 JayC, Here is the reference for your bowl. |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: Corey Mon, Feb 06, 2017 Xuande style moonflask in my collection, but most likely later. It would have insane value if of the period. |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: JayC Mon, Feb 06, 2017 Walter: |
Subject:Re: Help needed to identify dragon on under glaze blue porcelain bowl
Posted By: Corey Mon, Feb 13, 2017 And then the thread goes dead, which is a shame because it really is an interesting topic. According an article about imperial dragons on the website of Kyote Natinal Museum, there are two version of the "fish dragon", the Feiyu and the Douniyu: |
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