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Subject:peach bloom vase - This Thread is closed
Posted By: Francis Tan Tue, Apr 10, 2007 IP: 121.44.92.137 I bought this vase in Australia from a estate auction several years ago, can anyone tell me if it is a 19th century replica or a Kangxi period vase? Thanks |
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Posted By: Anthony J Allen Tue, Apr 10, 2007 Hi Francis, |
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Posted By: Edward Shumaker Wed, Apr 11, 2007 Hi Francis, |
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Posted By: Daniel Drabek Thu, Apr 12, 2007 What a difference between the perfect, graceful shape of the original and the copy. Thanks for posting, Ed. |
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Posted By: Daniel Drabek Fri, Apr 13, 2007 For what it's worth, I snapped a picture of this vase today at the Asian Arts Museum in San Francisco. It is of similar shape and color, but with some significant differences. And it has only a single ring on the neck. DD |
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Posted By: larry Fri, Apr 13, 2007 hi, there are so many modern fake peices out there and they all look perfect just like Ed's picture above in beijing china so don't be fool. If you don't believe me go take a trip to china. Tese days looking right is not enough to say it is real as they fake monochromes so perfectly. Make sure if it is expensive look for provenance or tl test it at oxford lab they can test small pieces as well. If not correct return it. |
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Posted By: Steven Low Wed, Apr 11, 2007 Hi Francis |
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Posted By: phil Wed, Apr 11, 2007 "There is a city in China that makes fake Ming and Qing. porcelain." |
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Posted By: phil Wed, Apr 11, 2007 BTW, agree with Tony that this is early 20thC piece. |
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Posted By: Frank Wed, Apr 11, 2007 thanks for all your opinion. Yes this vase has been a puzzle. I have it seen by various auction house specialist and most did say it was a nineteen century copy. however it only cost me 200 aussie. A friend noted how well it was potted and how the galze turn from pink to clear just before the foot and not adrop getting to the foot. As for the ridging i thought that was a common feature of Kangxi porcelain especially the blue and white most apparent on the base of such vases. I think the best option to dating is still the TLS however it is probably too small to test. Some of the larger vases canb e tested but it is not accurate to tell if it is forexample kangxi or yongzheng but just 18th century or 19th century or 20th. |
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Posted By: phil Thu, Apr 12, 2007 Hi, |
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Posted By: Edward Shumaker Sat, Apr 14, 2007 To Forum Members, |
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Posted By: Anthony J Allen Sun, Apr 15, 2007 Ed, |
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Posted By: Edward Shumaker Tue, Apr 17, 2007 Tony, |
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Posted By: phil Mon, Apr 16, 2007 Interesting Ed, I tried to check this as I thought I`d remembered correctly, at least something stuck in my mind regarding marks on peach bloom pieces. |
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Posted By: Francis Tan Tue, Apr 17, 2007 Regarding the reign mark chinese language is normally written in vertical column from right to left. 6 character marks in 3 vertical column is normally how Kangxi mark is written. A good book is -For The Imperial Court Qing Porcelain from the Percival David Foundation of Chinese Art. I suggest you you get this book if you like collecting imperial porcelain. Regards Francis |
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Posted By: Edward Shumaker Tue, Apr 17, 2007 Mr.Tan, |
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Posted By: Francis Wed, Apr 18, 2007 Dear Edward, these are more photos. I hope they are clear enough. I also incude a photo of a green peach bloom pot from the percival david foundation. I think there are several diffences but i notice they the Kangxi reign marks for 6 different items in this book are all written in slightly different fashion only thing i noted is the strokes in the last character zik is more compress and less defined in the kangxi reign than other reigns. Regards Francis |
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Posted By: Edward Shumaker Wed, Apr 18, 2007 Mr. Tan, |
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Posted By: phil Tue, Apr 17, 2007 Francis, please read the last sentence which clearly specifies the difference found only on imperial peach bloom. |
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Posted By: Francis Tan Tue, Apr 17, 2007 Dear Phil, Pls go to a reputable auction house like Christies Bonhams or Sotherbys when there is a chinese art sale and see first hand or ask them how such marks should be written I suspect you will have a lot to learn or like wise get the book i suggested. there are 3 pieces from Percival David Foundation with marks written in 3 two character vertical line with no circles. Regards Francis |
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Posted By: Anthony J Allen Tue, Apr 17, 2007 Ed, |
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Posted By: Edward Shumaker Tue, Apr 17, 2007 Tony, |
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Posted By: Anthony J Allen Tue, Apr 17, 2007 Ed, |
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Posted By: Edward Shumaker Wed, Apr 18, 2007 Tony, |
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Posted By: Sinoart Wed, Apr 18, 2007 (1) Phil is right. |
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Posted By: Anthony J Allen Wed, Apr 18, 2007 Ed, |
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Posted By: Edward Shumaker Wed, Apr 18, 2007 Tony, |
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Posted By: Anthony J Allen Thu, Apr 19, 2007 Ed, |
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Posted By: Edward Shumaker Fri, Apr 20, 2007 To the Moderator, Forum, |
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Posted By: Stefanie Riedel Sun, Dec 08, 2019 I am just writing, because I am wondering why no one has given an answer. |
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Posted By: Mark Adams Mon, Dec 09, 2019 Hi Stephanie, |
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Posted By: Mark Adams Mon, Dec 09, 2019 Sorry I am using a mobile and pushed post instead of edit therefore a few spelling mistakes etc. |
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Posted By: Stefanie Riedel Tue, Dec 10, 2019 Thank you for the answer. |
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Posted By: Mark Adams Wed, Dec 11, 2019 There is a very informative website called bidamount.com that has uploaded various videos dealing with fake chinese porcelain. It clearly shows the difference in colours of porcelain via the different periods. I would highly recommend that you view said videos in order to gain an understanding. |
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Posted By: Stefanie Riedel Sat, Dec 28, 2019 Hi! |
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Posted By: Edward Shumaker Thu, Apr 19, 2007 Tony, |
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Posted By: Sinoart Fri, Apr 20, 2007 Tony and Ed: |
Subject:THIS POSTING THREAD IS CLOSED
Posted By: Ian Fri, Apr 20, 2007 I have decided to close this posting thread, since the last few postings have had little to do with the peachbloom vase of the subject and more and more with personal remarks, which are not the subject of the forum. |
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