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Subject:Tall Japanese Bronze Champleve Vase, Marked
Posted By: Kevin Donnelley Mon, Aug 03, 2020 IP: 69.120.216.195

Hoping someone may be able to provide a translation to the mark on the base.
H: 12";30.5 cm

thank you for looking










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Subject:Re: Tall Japanese Bronze Champleve Vase, Marked
Posted By: Kevin Donnelley Sat, Jun 24, 2023

adding two close-ups
the first, hopefully, a better one of the mark, and the other of some of the enamels which I would describe by the photos as dull and muddy in appearance, sometimes grainy. older then, by their appearance and by the manner in which the pink color was derived, by combining red and white enamels to give a spotty pink one.

hoping these might help an expert provide an approximate date and the name of the artist
thank you for looking





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Subject:Re: Tall Japanese Bronze Champleve Vase, Marked
Posted By: Kevin Donnelley Mon, Jun 26, 2023

Some Chinese experts from another site have informed me that is, in fact, Chinese and the mark translates to: Made in Henan

Subject:Re: Tall Japanese Bronze Champleve Vase, Marked
Posted By: Bill H Mon, Jun 26, 2023

The mark reads "Made in Vietnam" (Yue nan zao - 越南造).

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Tall Japanese Bronze Champleve Vase, Marked
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Jun 29, 2023

In retrospect, Vietnam seems not to be correct. However, there is a possible alternative in "遡南" (Sùnán), meaning "South" or "Southern" in Chinese and Japanese. So "Made in the South" is a possibility. "遡南" figures more in Japanese than Chinese hits in my Google search of the term, if that means anything.

I still have my doubts abot Hunan.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Tall Japanese Bronze Champleve Vase, Marked
Posted By: Kevin Donnelley Thu, Jun 29, 2023

Searching collection databases more these days as the preferred direct approach to better info while setting aside "Google" searches on almost anything historic, as this vase appears to be very old. one, by its heavy weight in solid bronze, and forged foot- photo 2, and the type of enameling, among other things. nothing about this one would be commonly found in general searches

We do know that cloisonne styles varied between the provinces producing it in China. Marks were used to designate the province from where a particular piece was produced. So in this way, a " Made in .... " mark that names the Chinese province of origin would make more sense. Hunan was a metalworking center during the Qing period

in reference to the translation, one respondent from the other site wrote:

The first character threw me off a little as I haven’t seen it written like that (I’m a native Chinese speaker). My best guess is 湖南造 which means “made in Hunan (province in China)”, but instead of 氵 another radical 辶 was used. Almost certain it’s Chinese not Japanese bc Japanese don’t have that radical anymore"

Best,

Kevin

Subject:Re: Tall Japanese Bronze Champleve Vase, Marked
Posted By: Kevin Donnelley Tue, Jun 27, 2023

Regrets, Made in Hunan is correct, rather than Henan as previously noted, thank you


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