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Subject:Chinese porcelain unknown cup mark
Posted By: Thomas Mon, Nov 12, 2018 IP:

Good afternoon,

I would like to ask for your help guys, when understanding this porcelain bowl.

What kind of marking on a bottom? And how old possibly it can be?

Small cup belonged to my mother & previously to my grand parents.

This nicely painted cup been in a family for a while.

All the best

Kind regards

Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain unknown cup mark
Posted By: Thomas Tue, Nov 20, 2018

I was able to figure it out mark - Ming mark?

How old this possibly can be?

Few additional pictures.

Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain unknown cup mark
Posted By: Martin Michels Wed, Nov 21, 2018

The mark reads: Da Ming 大明 Chenghua 成化 Nian Zhi 年製 (Great Ming Chenghua Period Made).
Chenghua was a Chinese emperor from 1465 till 1487, but this cup is most certainly not from that period. Real Chenghua porcelain is rare. The Chenghua reign mark is seen on many pieces throughout the ages and regarded as part of the decoration.
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Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain unknown cup mark
Posted By: Paul Thu, Nov 22, 2018

Dear Martin,

obviously looks like that there is some age in this cup for sure (at least some people mentioned that). I was able to find similar colours and designs back from Yonghzheng period.

Thank you for mark translation.


Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain unknown cup mark
Posted By: Bill H Sat, Nov 24, 2018

Your cup appears to me to have some characteristics of Japanese attempts to copy Ming contending color (doucai) and five color (wucai) wares during the late 20th century. The more visible clues are frothy glaze and yellowed foot-rims, the latter color being common in many Ming and Kangxi dishes, but giving your cup away here as modern-era by a palpable degree of granularity. Below are pictures of two different Japanese cups with Makara water-dragon decoration, exhibiting varying degrees of froth in their glazes and both having similar indications of granularity in their foot-rims. The glaze on the second cup shown is particularly well bubbled in the sense of forum member, author, and collector Tony Allen's use of "sugar icing" to describe it. Another clue is that the glaze on your cup seems to be too perfect for the average Ming or early Qing popular porcelains (minyao wares).

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain unknown cup mark
Posted By: Audrius Palionis Sun, Nov 25, 2018

Dear Bill,

thank you for interesting Japanese related pictures & advice on glaze bubbles.

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