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Subject:Information on Dish and Symbols Used, Please
Posted By: Lance W Frazer Thu, Aug 23, 2018 IP: 2601:204:4001:3df5:9

Given to me by a friend, I'm trying to find out more about the dish itself, and the symbols used. The dish itself, which doesn't appear (to me, anyway) to be of any great age, is 9 inches by 6 1/2 inches. I'm curious about a couple of things: 1-- The ridge on the bottom. Is there a specific reason, either in firing the dish or its use, that it is there? 2-- The small winged creature on the bottom rim of the dish. I can't tell if it's a stylized bat or some other winged creature. 3-- The age and creator/manufacturer of the dish itself. My thanks in advance for any and all assistance.







Subject:Re: Information on Dish and Symbols Used, Please
Posted By: Bill H Sat, Aug 25, 2018

This is a "contending dragon-phoenix" design on transfer-decorated porcelain, perhaps an ornamented blank from Hong Kong or something made entirely in Japan (more below on that).

Dragon- phoenix dishes are quite popular in Chinese restaurants for entertaining wedding parties and celebrating newborns. You probably have a late 20th century specimen, and related patterns are still in production.

The dragon and phoenix are timeless icons in China, Japan and Korea. The dragon is the heavenly ruler, related to the emperor and a symbol of the cosmic male aspect. Likewise, the phoenix is associated with the empress, is a conveyance and attribute of the Queen Mother of the West in Daoism and represents the cosmic female aspect.

The winged creatures are bats and symbols of good fortune. Bats are called "fu" in Mandarin, a homonymic of the "fu" character that means "good fortune". Thus, when groups of bats are shown, the gathering is iconic of the "Five Blessings" of "Health, Wealth, Happiness, Long Life, and "Complete Life". The border or "diaper" around the upper rim of your dish also is a meaningful icon, being called a "Lei Fret" after the God of Thunder.

I've always presumed the ridge seen on the base of such dishes to be a feature meant to prevent sagging in the kiln, but others may know better. This ridge is found on dishes of the same form that are made in Japan. Therefore, while I know from gotheborg.com that a similar pattern is in production in Hong Kong, where ornamentation shops imported large numbers of Japanese blanks in the early People's Republic period (post-1949), it may be that dishes like yours could have been produced wholly in Japan, while a similar product was being made in Hong Kong. Perhaps others in the forum have more definitive information on this point.

See further info at the embedded Gotheborg link and following related eBay links:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/401587422233

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Beautiful-Rare-Japanese-Rose-Famillia-Pattern/173442698107?hash=item2861fd8b7b:g:iCoAAOSwzwxavuZf

Best regards,

Bill H.

URL Title :Dragon and Phoenix


Subject:Re: Information on Dish and Symbols Used, Please
Posted By: Lance W Frazer Tue, Aug 28, 2018

Many thanks, Bill, for your time and explanations. I always like to learn new things, and I thank you again for your kind assistance with this.


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