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Subject:Chinese makers mark ,Translate.
Posted By: fred Sat, Dec 24, 2022 IP: 101.181.165.186 Hi members |
Subject:Re: Chinese makers mark ,Translate.
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Dec 25, 2022 The upside-down mark shown for your 19th-early 20th century Chinese cloisonne brush washer reads apocryphally when flipped "Made during the Ming Dynasty" (Da Ming Nian Zhi). Check the following links for comparisons. |
Subject:Re: Chinese makers mark ,Translate.
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Dec 25, 2022 Reading upside down is again my downfall. The last character in the mark is pronounced “zao” not “zhi”. |
Subject:Re: Chinese makers mark ,Translate.
Posted By: fred Mon, Dec 26, 2022 Thanks Phil H. |
Subject:Re: Chinese makers mark ,Translate.
Posted By: Bill H Mon, Dec 26, 2022 No way this cloisonné was made in Laos. I spent two years all over that country during the early 1970s and collected some of the native Lao Buddhistic silverwork and woven silks. However, any cloisonné work sold in Laos of such high caliber would have been imported from Sino-Thai antique dealers in Bangkok via Thai trading centers across the Mekong from Lao cities like Pakse, Savannakhet, Thakek and the capital at Vientiane. Later I spent a total of six years in Thailand, including three at Udon Thani, very close to the Mekong port across from Vientiane at Nong Khai, where I satisfied my antiquing habit in shops selling both Thai, Lao and the occasional Chinese piece. Ain't fibbing when I say, "Been there, Done that!" Don't have time to sort through my basket, but I'm sure some of what is shown amidst the Chinese, Burmese and Japanese stuff also includes Lao stuff. |
Subject:Re: Chinese makers mark ,Translate.
Posted By: Bill H Mon, Dec 26, 2022 I also believe your identification may a confused version of the name of famous late 19th-early 20th century Chinese maker Lao Tian Li (老天利), who lived from 1860-1930. See the below URL Link to the website of Beadiste, one of the most authoritative sources on the subject I've ever encountered. |
Subject:Re: Chinese makers mark ,Translate.
Posted By: fred Mon, Dec 26, 2022 Hi Phil |
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