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Subject:Help for dating
Posted By: Minh Thuc Sat, Oct 29, 2022 IP: 14.241.110.5

Hello everybody,
Could you please help me dating this faience dish?
Thank you very much.





Subject:Re: Help for dating
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Oct 30, 2022

For the information of all, the French text at the top of the mark of "cadeau de la mission portugaise au grand roi d'annam" is translatable as "Gift from the Portuguese mission to the Great Emperor of Annam". The junk pictured at the bottom is labeled underneath with its apparent name as "Le meduse" or "the Jellyfish". The bold Chinese characters read down as "長壽" (Chang shou), meaning "Long life".

The coronation of seven year-old Prince Nguyễn Phúc Vĩnh San, the former Nguyen-era Emperor Duy Tân, was held in 1907 and he ruled until 1916, after which time the French deposed him to French-ruled Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean after discovering him to be a co-conspirator in a plot to overthrow their rule. He died 26 December 1945 (aged 45) at Lobaye, Ubangi-Shari, French Equatorial Africa. (Info from Wikipedia)

I would surmise from the French inscription that the dish probably was made during the child emperor's brief rule from 1907-1916.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Help for dating
Posted By: Minh Thuc Mon, Oct 31, 2022

Hello Bill H.,
Thank you very much for your reply with very interesting information. I would like to know what detail on the dish help you situate it on the time during the reign of Duy Tan?
Again thank you very much.
Best regards,
Vincent

Subject:Re: Help for dating
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Nov 01, 2022

I guesstimated the probable age of the piece, how French Colonial influence on the Nguyen dynasty seems to have been its strongest between 1887 and the Japanese WW-II takeover of Annam/Vietnam, the fact that the last two Nguyen emperors were forced out by the French, and that this poorly transfer-decorated pattern looks to me to be hardly of a quality that would have impressed earlier more powerful rulers.

Bill H.

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Subject:Re: Help for dating
Posted By: Minh Thuc Wed, Nov 02, 2022

Thank you very much for your reply with the precious reflection on the age of the dish.
Vincent


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