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Subject:Help with Buddha scroll age and signature
Posted By: John A Wed, Sep 14, 2022 IP: 2601:601:516:4ef:840
ANother scroll any help is appreciated like alaways. Thanks in advance.







Subject:Re: Help with Buddha scroll age and signature
Posted By: I.Nagy Fri, Sep 16, 2022
Signature,
枩蔭圖　-　Painted by Shōin
Seal,
松蔭　- Shōin

In the absence of suitable online reference works I cannot decide which Shōin (松蔭　or 松陰 is among the five who are known in the painters` name register.

枩　=　松　　蔭　=　陰 (隂)

With regards,
I. Nagy

Subject:Re: Help with Buddha scroll age and signature
Posted By: peter Fri, Sep 16, 2022
its a painting by Kanou Touun Masunobu.
you can find the seal on this scroll in the British Museum:

https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/A_1913-0501-0-219

peter

Subject:Re: Help with Buddha scroll age and signature
Posted By: I.Nagy Sat, Sep 17, 2022
Peter,
You are right. The signature reads more reasonably;
益信圖　-　Masanobu -zu
Seal；
松蔭子　-　Shōinshi
I found the seal in the　日本書画落款印譜集成/柏書房
p.331
Regards,
I.Nagy

Subject:Re: Help with Buddha scroll age and signature
Posted By: John A Sat, Sep 17, 2022
Thank You for the information. I am a bit confused but is this a copy of Masundou done by artist later named Shoin?

Subject:Re: Help with Buddha scroll age and signature
Posted By: peter Mon, Sep 19, 2022
No, I am sure this is an original painting by Touun Masunobu.
Sometimes its just difficult to read handwritten characters and seal prints and you actually need the experience of having seen a reference painting of the painter you could remember.

http://gankusworld.com/kanou-masunobu-kannon/

peter

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Subject:Re: Help with Buddha scroll age and signature
Posted By: John A Tue, Sep 20, 2022
Great information ! Thank you for the clarification.

Subject:Re: Help with Buddha scroll age and signature
Posted By: I.Nagy Mon, Sep 19, 2022
Just to make it clear;
Name;
Kanō Masanobu 狩野益信　1625-1694
Kanō school painter、adopted son (son-in-law) of Kanō Tanyū.
His childhood name was Yamasaburō 山三郎
His common name was Uneme 采女
and his pesudonyms were;
Tōun (Dōun) 洞雲
Sōshindōjin 宗深道人
Shōinshi　松蔭子 (Person in the shade of pine)
The pseudonym 洞雲 Tōun is used to distinguish
him from the earlier Kanō Masanobu 狩野正信　1434-1530　- however his name is written with different characters.

With regards,
I.Nagy

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