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Subject:Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: Brad Fenichel Fri, Jan 28, 2022 IP: 2601:145:c200:3375:2 I am new to this forum, and my understanding is that there are many gracious and knowledgeable folks here who would not mind answering a question! Thank you in advance; your time is truly appreciated. |
Subject:Re: Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: I.Nagy Sat, Jan 29, 2022 These leaves are from an album depicting court ladies engeged in leisure activities. |
Subject:Re: Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: Brad Fenichel Sat, Jan 29, 2022 Wow, thank you for providing that detailed information! Question: The inscription and seal do not reveal the true painter or date of this piece, correct? I'm thinking it was painted in the early 20th century, and the painter was copying from another (honored) painter's work. Do you agree? Thanks again! |
Subject:Re: Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: peter Sun, Jan 30, 2022 I could not see a reason why the album leafs shoud not be painted by Jiang Lian. |
Subject:Re: Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: rat Sun, Jan 30, 2022 Yes, I agree, I think these may very well be genuine works in good condition, originally mounted as an album. |
Subject:Re: Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: rat Sun, Jan 30, 2022 The inscriptions and seals all appear consistent in identifying Jiang Lian as your artist. The inscription in the initial picture says that he is relating that work to Ming painter Qiu Ying, but he is not copying a specific work of Qiu's, and there's no indication that someone other than Jiang is the painter. Given the ubiquity of fakes and copies, it's difficult to say with certainty that these cannot be the work of a later copyist, but practicality suggests that these are not later copies. |
Subject:Re: Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: peter Mon, Jan 31, 2022 Your post is a fine example how authentication should be approached! |
Subject:Re: Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: Brad Fenichel Mon, Jan 31, 2022 Makes sense. THANK YOU! |
Subject:Re: Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: rat Mon, Jan 31, 2022 thanks. Your point about album leaves being less distressed than a hanging scroll makes good sense and may explain the difference between these leaves and some of the hanging scrolls in the article. |
Subject:Re: Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: Brad Fenichel Mon, Jan 31, 2022 Thank you, @rat, for taking the time to research and educate. Much appreciated! |
Subject:Re: Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: Brad Fenichel Sun, Jan 30, 2022 I. Nagy, thank you for taking time to provide so much wonderful detail about these paintings. I do have a question, being new to this type of art. |
Subject:#2 of 3 (More Photos) - Re: Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: Brad Fenichel Sat, Jan 29, 2022 Message #2 of 3, where I'm attaching photos of painting #2 |
Subject:Re: #2 of 3 (More Photos) - Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: I.Nagy Sat, Jan 29, 2022 道光乙未仲春 |
Subject:Re: #2 of 3 (More Photos) - Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: I.Nagy Sun, Jan 30, 2022 Sorry, I missed to translate the second line, |
Subject:#3 of 3 (Final Photos) - Re: Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: Brad Fenichel Sat, Jan 29, 2022 Message #3 of 3, where I'm attaching photos of painting #3 |
Subject:Re: #3 of 3 (Final Photos) - Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: I.Nagy Sat, Jan 29, 2022 Signature, |
Subject:Re: #3 of 3 (Final Photos) - Would Appreciate Help Identifying These Paintings
Posted By: rat Mon, Jan 31, 2022 as an aside, the content here is not court ladies but a lohan and attendant, cf Wu Bin's lohan handscrolls |
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