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Subject:Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: jeff sutton Sat, Aug 26, 2023 IP: 2600:6c67:2cf0:c10:d Looking for any information on the signature on this old painting along with opinions on the paper, ect... The right side next to the signature shows the paper that the painting was remounted on at some point before I got it. I can add any pics if anyone wants. |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: jeff sutton Sun, Aug 27, 2023 a couple of additional close ups with one showing a gap and the backing paper |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: peter Sun, Aug 27, 2023 Its a draft painting on a paper patched together fom small sheets. It is only made to test the composition and never meant to be mounted. |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: jeff sutton Wed, Aug 30, 2023 Thanks Peter - That makes perfect sense for the smaller pieces of paper being put together - I had hit the same wall with help and only had figured out 長 as well - The idea of it being shorthand or Kana makes sense as a possible answer. The 8 pieces of paper I have together are 109cm by 68cm, so if this originally was a larger potion of the scene it could have been a pretty large painting. I appreciate your help and knowledge as always - Kindest Regards, Jeff |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: Paul Thu, Aug 31, 2023 How did (do) you know it is Vimalakīrti? |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: jeff sutton Thu, Aug 31, 2023 I am not 100% sure, but it is the traditional way he is portrayed with the lightly held fan and looking to the left in many images. Sometimes he appears with his hand raised when in discussion with arhats and bodhisattvas. It also was a fairly common subject matter for a time period in paintings. It's a guess but I think a solid one... |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: peter Fri, Sep 01, 2023 the fly swatter, the sick appearance and some elaborate clothing make the attributes for Yuima. |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: jeff sutton Sat, Sep 02, 2023 Thanks Peter - Is there anything in particular that makes you think it is Japanese rather than Chinese? I could see the writing that hasn't been deciphered being shorthand or a variation of 车师 , even though that is unlikely. |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: peter Sat, Sep 02, 2023 its a work that could clearly be attributed to the kanou school (not first rate). The professional execution especially the light ink shade is beyond what chinese amateur connaisseurs would appriciate. |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: jeff sutton Sat, Sep 02, 2023 I was with help able to get the side translated to, 長谷川 Hasegawa - thoughts? |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: Rat Mon, Sep 04, 2023 Not Peter but thelines/wrinkles on the hands and face, the use of light and dark to show garment lines, the character of the lines themselves, and the wash as Peter mentioned are common in Japanese ink painting and much less so in Chinese painting. Not sure those specifics are enough, as it’s one of those things where you can just tell that it’s Japanese at a glance, but I’m struggling a bit to explain exactly why. |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: jeff sutton Tue, Sep 05, 2023 Thanks Rat! That makes sense for certain. The stroke technique on the outline along with the shading are quite clear. I think the hardest time I have is when the Japanese painting is based off the Literati or Zen style. Due to the signature on the painting I am thinking this could be a draft by Hasegawa Tonaku (as unlikely as it sounds) It is now believed that once he was in his 30's he began to paint under the name Tonaku, but before then he painted mostly Buddhist images under the name Nobuharu HASEGAWA and was a rival of the Kano school. He was also known for signing religious images that were never previously signed. He was the founder of the much smaller Hasegawa School that mostly consisted of direct descendants for 200 years. The darker pictures with the flash show more accurately how the color of the paper looks in person. This will have to be looked at in person by experts to prove that, but it's my thought at the moment. |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: jeff sutton Tue, Sep 19, 2023 Thought you might dig these detail shots Rat - 2 of the eye and one of the connection of 4 pieces of the paper - Thanks for all you and everyone else does here. |
Subject:Re: Vimalakīrti painting -
Posted By: jeff sutton Fri, Sep 01, 2023 In this case a fly swatter, sometimes a fan, - In the Li Gonglin attributed painting of Vimalakirti in the Kyoto museum it is almost the exact same pose. |
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