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Subject:JIAQING PORCELAIN CALLIGRAPHY SEAL VASE STAMP
Posted By: GABatGH Mon, Feb 13, 2017 IP: 2601:0989:4100:088d:

Many years ago my wife's father handed me an item and asked me to identify it for him. I've been searching for years, online and off line, and finally I found out what it is.

It is a stamp for Chinese porcelain vases. This item is what I learned that from:
http://www.icollector.com/CHINESE-JIAQING-PORCELAIN-CALLIGRAPHY-SEAL-VASE_i13544343

Now my stamp set does not match the stamps on that vase exactly. Unless I missed a match, my stamps matched eleven stamps on that vase. No matter what I search for now, I cannot find the actual stamps.

At Google Photo's I created a folder with lots of pictures of my stamps, plus three pictures of that vase and the matching sides from my stamps.

At this point I'm aware that some of the stamps are indicative of age by referring to what Period or what leader, but this is all way over my head.

Can anyone provide me with a little guidance with this?

Thanks :)








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Subject:Re: JIAQING PORCELAIN CALLIGRAPHY SEAL VASE STAMP
Posted By: rat Tue, Feb 14, 2017

These nested seals are fun, but they are not meant to be applied to lamps, rather to be used as one's individual seals on calligraphy, paintings, or letters perhaps. They are more of a scholar's plaything or object to put on one's desk than a functional seal though. Nested seals are normally Qing or Ming in date.

The vase you've pictured is simply decorative with a bunch of painted-on seal inscriptions forming the decoration. I would not expect to find a match between your set of seals and the lamp, unless the both the seals and the lamp are reproducing the seals of famous collectors or emperors known for their collecting.

Subject:Re: JIAQING PORCELAIN CALLIGRAPHY SEAL VASE STAMP
Posted By: Paul Wed, Feb 15, 2017

Thanks for the reply.

I don't know anything about Asian art. Qing or Ming goes right over my head.

At icollector, that vase is listed as being from 1796-1820.

You said "I would not expect to find a match between your set of seals and the lamp" but yet almost half of what I have match this two hundred and fifty year old lamp.

My wife's father was a collector of antiques, and we've already seen items that were much, much older than 1796 so it's not unreasonable that this is from that time period.

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Subject:Re: JIAQING PORCELAIN CALLIGRAPHY SEAL VASE STAMP
Posted By: rat Thu, Feb 16, 2017

Ming dynasty: 1368-1644 AD
Qing dynasty: 1644-1911 AD

Just because an icollector listing claims that the vase dates from the Jiaqing reign doesn't make it true. Fakes and deception are absolutely rampant in the Chinese antiques field.

Which are the seals from your nested set that match the images on the vase? I see only one (the circular seal which appears last on your page of photos) that appears on the vase in several places, and am surprised to see that it does.

While I respect that your wife's father collected antiques, that doesn't make the icollector vase or your set of nested seals genuine and related. I have a vase that is nearly 4,000 years old sitting on the shelf two feet away from me. Does that fact validate my views instead? Of course not.

You might find it interesting to learn that although your wife's father handed these seals to you many years ago to identify, there just so happens to be another set available for sale today online that looks like an exact match to yours. I wonder how that happened. Pretty cheap too. Nested seals should sell for thousands, not hundreds. Here's the link: http://www.stevensaa.com/20160423320.html#


Subject:Re: JIAQING PORCELAIN CALLIGRAPHY SEAL VASE STAMP
Posted By: Corey Mon, Feb 20, 2017

Spot on! I finally learned the correct term for this type of seal. "Nested seals". Good to know that they should sell in the thousands if genuinely old. I posted one of these earlier on this board (see link), but got zero qualified opinons about it. It was by the way purchased from a private Chinese Ebay seller for around 100 bucks plus shipping and was dated to the 18-19 century, which I assume is a correct dating, even though no one here was able to translate the script, which would otherwise have been a helpfull assistance in the process of authentication. But the fact that it is made in a higher grade pebble material is a good indication of age in my opinion. So this is another example that it is still possible to find genuine antiques in China for small money and also on Ebay, even though it's risky business. You made my day! And my apologies for interrupting you guys conversation.

Subject:Re: JIAQING PORCELAIN CALLIGRAPHY SEAL VASE STAMP
Posted By: Corey Tue, Feb 21, 2017

Link didn't show. New try:

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Subject:Re: JIAQING PORCELAIN CALLIGRAPHY SEAL VASE STAMP
Posted By: rat Tue, Feb 21, 2017

price still depends on quality, rarity, and competition of course...

Subject:Re: JIAQING PORCELAIN CALLIGRAPHY SEAL VASE STAMP
Posted By: Paul Mon, Feb 20, 2017

Here's three pictures that show that vase with matching pictures of my box.








Subject:Re: JIAQING PORCELAIN CALLIGRAPHY SEAL VASE STAMP
Posted By: rat Tue, Feb 21, 2017

Wow, thanks so much for taking the time to match all these up for me Paul, nicely done, and you are absolutely right that they are the same design. I can see why you concluded that the seals relate to this vase. Yet I don't believe that your seals made the marks on the vase, for two reasons: your photographs show that the seals and their impressions are identical, whereas all functioning seals are carved in reverse (ie as a mirror image of the imprint they produce). (And if you had reversed the photographs of the seal impressions to make them easier for me and others to read, your photograph of the seals accompanied by the quarter would have shown the quarter to have been reversed as well, which is not the case.) Also, I suspect that the marks on the vase were created with a rubber rather than a cast metal seal, as metal seals would be difficult to apply to the vase successfully without causing some scratching/impressions to the body. While the vase and the seal faces share a common design, I don't think the seals were used to stamp the vase.


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