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Subject:Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Steffen Saabye Fri, Nov 04, 2016 IP: 87.60.72.184 These two Chinese porcelain tempel urns are believed to be from 1875-1880. Are they made by or for the Chinese population at the Strait, that is Peranakan ware ? |
Subject:Re: Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Michael O Thu, Nov 10, 2016 I do not think that these can be considered as Peranakan ware.They are not of the typical type of vessel or of the colours and motifs preferred by the Peranakan in their porcelains. A google search will provide you with many examples of typical Peranakan ware. |
Subject:Re: Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Steffen Saabye Fri, Nov 11, 2016 Many thanks for your answer. In fact I have two urns (or vases). I base my theory about Peranakan origin on the borders. They look very much like the borders shown in the book "Peranakan Chinese Porcelain". Tony Allen, author of books about Chinese porcelain, has seen a photo and has suggested 1875-1880 as the period of manufacture. I add photos of both urns and of the bottoms of the urns and their lids. |
Subject:Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Michael O Tue, Nov 15, 2016 Peranakan ware are in fact Chinese porcelain and would contain all the auspicious Chinese symbols. As a whole, these urns do not have the characteristics of typical ware used by the Peranakan. However, I dont think it should really matter as long as they are old and if they are indeed from 1875-1880. |
Subject:Re: Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Steffen Saabye Wed, Nov 16, 2016 Many thanks for your answer. Praise yourself lucky then that you'r not the owner of these awful urns. Do you have some sort of proof that they'r neither Peranakan nor early, but late Guangxu ? Then don't hesitate to tell all us ignorants ! |
Subject:Re: Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Michael O Thu, Nov 17, 2016 I did not mean any offence and I am really sorry that you take opinions this way. Taste is a subjective matter. |
Subject:Re: Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Steffen Saabye Fri, Nov 18, 2016 Many thanks for your answer. Let's not turn a discussion into a competition about offending or believing to be offended. I have no firm opinions about Chinese porcelain. That's why I post in this forum. Please don't hesitate to make me and all other readers wiser. |
Subject:Re: Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Nov 17, 2016 I commented when Steffen first inquired in October about the jar shown on the left in the upper photos here. I noted that Tony has illustrated a Guangxu vase of different form with the same "precious objects" pattern in his latest book, "Allen's Antique Chinese Porcelain - The Detection of Fakes". "Precious Objects" occupies no more of a unique place with the Straits (Peranakan) Chinese than with Chinese elsewhere as far as I know. The diaper commonly called the "Traffic Light" border is found on all sorts of late 19th-early 20th century Chinese export ware. What makes the dishes shown in the Ho Wing Meng book on Straits Chinese porcelains are the other patterns between such borders. |
Subject:Re: Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Steffen Saabye Fri, Nov 18, 2016 Many thanks for your answer. I find it interesting that the jars or urns or vases - I'm not sure about the correct term - are of different age. They look very much the same to me, but I'm definitely not an expert, as I'm sure you have already suspected. So they may or may not be Peranakan. We may never know ? What do you mean about 'filth' ? They are newly washed ! Can you enlighten me about how you see the difference in age ? |
Subject:Re: Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Fri, Nov 18, 2016 If I may correct the opinions attributed to me. |
Subject:Re: Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Steffen Saabye Sun, Nov 20, 2016 Many thanks. Most helpful. It was also my opinion that they are from some time in the 2nd half of the 19th century, but I couldn't come it closer on my own. Thanks again ! |
Subject:Re: Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Nov 20, 2016 I never argue with my guru and welcome this warranted correction with great humility. |
Subject:Re: Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
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Subject:Re: Straits or Peranakan Chinese Porcelain ?
Posted By: Steffen Saabye Fri, Oct 13, 2017 If you say so ... |
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