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Subject:Jade item
Posted By: adam Tue, Aug 14, 2012 IP: 82.6.71.112 Anyone have any idea about the use/age of this item? |
Subject:Re: Jade item
Posted By: LEE Wed, Aug 15, 2012 Hi adam that looks good for Han dynasty. I has a very natural age appearance. Such a piece would either be genuine or a very recent expert replica. If you have the provenance it is easy to tell. If it was in a collection prior to 1990s it is genuine if later than you have to check the cuts. Check the cut for perpendicular tool marks. If it all runs parallel to the cut except where the holes are cut . When they cut the hole only one area should have a drill cut and the other areas are cut by string so the cut would run parallel to the string. I think this one os most likely genuine congratulations. |
Subject:Re: Jade item
Posted By: adam Wed, Aug 15, 2012 Thanks lee, I am wondering what price to go too... Would rather not pay thousands obviously!! |
Subject:Re: Jade item
Posted By: LEE Thu, Aug 16, 2012 The price of items like that depends on the demand for the piece on the day, if it was placed in a auction. Most Chinese like pure white ,celadon or yellow colored jade . However there is a developing taste for archiac jade. Your piece is obviously nephrite and has very natural looking inclusion and the carving is delicate and correct. Such style is copied by later dynasty- in duck carvings of the qianlong period, with the square under the beak. To put a price on such a piece is hard . It depends on the interested parties. I think it should be worth between 2000-4000 but you may get more on the auction, if it has a good provenance. |
Subject:Re: Jade item
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Wed, Aug 15, 2012 Beware.. fantasy piece, new !!!!!!!!!!! |
Subject:Re: Jade item
Posted By: Roger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 Ernest is correcet - it is truly a "fantasy piece." This is the kind of stuff sold to tourists on the sidewalks in Taipei. If it had any redeeming features such as quality jade, good color, skilled workmanship, or of an identifiable subject, it might brimg up to $1.00 at auction. |
Subject:Re: Jade item
Posted By: adam Wed, Aug 15, 2012 I have the details of the previous owner so pretty sure its the real deal .... Regards selling this piece does anyone have any tips? Dont want to put it amongst ebay trash and trocadero charges a lot if you are someone like me who only sells the occasional item....Any ideas? |
Subject:Re: Jade item
Posted By: LEE Thu, Aug 16, 2012 You should auction it off at a major auction house. Christies or Sothebys. |
Subject:Re: Jade item
Posted By: Sarah Wed, Aug 15, 2012 A true insult to expert Chinese jade carvers of recent times. Mass produced ! |
Subject:Re: Jade item
Posted By: adam Thu, Aug 16, 2012 Will be trusting your opinion lee. |
Subject:Re: Jade item
Posted By: Super Thu, Aug 16, 2012 This piece is quite contradictory. The age stains and its surface deposits did resemble that of an archaic piece, even its material may even be made of decent nephrite jade, probably a white one with green tint or celdaon (light green) that the picture did not show here. (*Digital pictures very often display white jade as green and celadon jade as white) However, some of the long carving lines especially those on the left look a little bit suspicious and its shape looks awkward. It almost looks like a new piece made with material recovered from an old jade carvings. Again, with such low resolution pictures and my lack of expertise, I really cannot say for sure. I can only advise you that without any concrete provenance, you should not buy it at any amount you cannot afford to lose. When it is too good to be true, it is too good to be true. A real HAN piece with good provenance will not be cheap. |
Subject:Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: Sarah Thu, Aug 16, 2012 Your private email dissing members of this forum was not appreciated. |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: adam Fri, Aug 17, 2012 I merely asked you to present your experience and collection for the perusal of others. |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: richard t Fri, Aug 17, 2012 what i do not understand about people who comment on these forums is why many (not all. but many) feel that they can make brief, unsubstantiated comments. things like 'NEW' or 'probably japanese' |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Sun, Aug 19, 2012 Fantasy piece means it is not a copy of an ancient carving.They are turned out by the thousands. |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: rat Sun, Aug 19, 2012 Fair points, but consider the position of the person who knows what they are looking at and knows that it is mass produced decorative art for tourists. Few of those people feel obligated to explain to the owner or prospective purchaser who has posted the work here exactly what elements of the object indicate that it is mass produced or whatever. Most of those people don't want to waste any more of their own time than necessary looking at stuff they consider junk, much less write a dissertation about it, or educate their rivals. But in fact they are offering their opinion, whether demonstrably right or wrong, as a free service to the poster and anyone else who reads these posts. |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: adam Fri, Aug 17, 2012 Perhaps stick to the cats ey!!! |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: CY Fri, Aug 17, 2012 amazing ... differences in opinions from folks. based upon reading back comments, that seem very_knowledgeable. |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: JJ Tue, Aug 21, 2012 I suppose I have nothing to say here, as it is a field that does not interest me at all. However I would like to comment on the tone of this discussion. |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Wed, Aug 22, 2012 JJ, here is my heartfelt THANK YOU ! |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: CY Wed, Aug 22, 2012 for what it's worth .. as a newbie trying to find my way.... |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: adam Wed, Aug 22, 2012 The fact I am regularly approached off site from members needing help, who have exceedingly low opinions of other board members here should be an indication of the "General tone" of discussion here, |
Subject:Adam the phony jade expert!
Posted By: Larry Thu, Aug 23, 2012 A while ago, an OB doctor in New York who also claimed to be a jade expert, an author of several jade books, started posting his jade carvings here for discussion (he was actually trying to sell them), the way he authenticated his jade carvings were by using his own jade collections published in his jade books as references. Unfortunately, this so called jade expert was a phony who knew nothing about Chinese jade carvings and who was too lazy even to do some diligent researches before he posted his "expert" opinions on jade in this forum. All the jade carvings posted by him were fakes. After a few discussions, his ignorance in jade was soon exposed by the forum members. Later it was found that he was being disbarred as a medical doctor in NY and he was sued by a buyer of selling fake high quality jadeite necklaces (not made of jadeite, but some cheaper material). |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: rat Wed, Aug 22, 2012 Dear CY, your post made me laugh. Not at you but at the funny spelling you used. I think you mean "bona fide" (which comes from Latin) rather than "bonified" (which comes from the world of 13 year old boys)! |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: adam Thu, Aug 23, 2012 You say the point perfectly well rat, however I would add one caveat... If I didnt know much about an object I wouldnt present my opinion as solid cast-iron fact like some members do...(I may venture an opinion, but I would make it clear it was just that...An opinion)... |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: JJ Sat, Aug 25, 2012 Adam, Adam.... |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: CY Wed, Aug 29, 2012 @ rat, yes "bona fide" is what I meant |
Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: JLim Thu, Aug 30, 2012
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Subject:Re: Dear Peter or Adam or whoever you are...
Posted By: pipane Thu, Jul 25, 2019 100% recently carved piece, the style and carving is wrong, the material is old but carving is recent as the patina suggest. Han jades doesn't look like this, period, 2000 years old patina on white nephrite jade doesn't look like this neither. |
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