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Subject:A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Sun, Mar 07, 2010 IP: 121.72.6.243 Lee has made a number of assertions which I take issue with, but rather than attempt to answer these over several postings, I have consolidated these into one. |
Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: LEE Sun, Mar 07, 2010 Tony, show me a vase with flambe or langyao glaze in a reputable museum that has no crackle. I can show you several with crackles. National Palace museum of Taiwan website has one. Asian Art Museum San Francisco has a few. Percival David foundation has a langyao vase with crackles. Teadust gallery have several all crackled. Crackling is a feature of Langyao and Flambe. I have a whole heap of catalogs with Langyao and Flambe vases all crackled. There are 3 lots of langyao in Christie's coming auction in NY, all crackled- lot 1425, lot1423 in sale 2297.Let me say this one more time for the audience, |
Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: LEE Sun, Mar 07, 2010 Tony don't confused the audience with your sacrificial red glaze plate. There is a huge difference between langyao and red glaze. As quoted by He Li,553 red glaze plate , The sacrificial red glaze on this piece has been confused with langyaohong (ox blood glaze), in some documents. The latter is distinguishable from sacrificial red because it is THICKER (like I said thick glaze crackle), HARDER (like LEE said high fired) and more transparent. The long-lived sacrificial red glaze continued to be used on the ceramic objects made in standized sizes and forms throughout the Qing dynasty. Made to imitate ming Xuande prototype. Goes on to say about red plate no 556. The yongzheng sacrificial red glaze fires to bright red , is even in coating and exhibit no visible crazing. |
Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Mon, Mar 08, 2010 Lee, you keep contradicting yourself. In relation to the posting titled Langyao Bottle Vase, you said |
Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: LEE Tue, Mar 09, 2010 Hi Tony, I hope you are enjoying this discussion, I will try find your book at the reference library. You do have a point that they are all copper based glaze. I suspect the only 2 that crackles and have trouble with flow are flambe and langyao. I have a peach bloom vase with kangxi mark that dates to the early 1900s that have no trimming on the rim. The only different is the glaze is lighted pink than the authentic peach glaze. I note that the true Kangxi langyao have a bright red glaze, and the top part is yellow rather than blue. On this criteria Toan's langyao vase is more likely to be Kangxi or early than late 19th century. It is really difficult to say if a langyao vase is Kangxi or replica as so many copies were made in the late 19th- early 20th century. |
Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: LEE Tue, Mar 09, 2010 Tony, my definition of Guan ware is any ware that is made from the imperial klin. Since Langyao ware was made under the supervision of official Lang Tonji ( 1705-1712)under the direction of emperor Kangxi at the imperial klin. Obviously the Kangxi langyao pieces would have come from such imperial klins and hence they were good quality and well potted and trimmed if necessary , thier mouth and base glazed with celadon or grey white crackled glaze and have crackled bright red colors. A characteristic of such Kangxi langyao is that they are seldom marked, as mentioned by He Li and others. Such characteristics were carefully copied in the late 19th -early 20th century, which makes authentication of such wares very difficult. Gettysbury museum website list a few pieces that date from either Kangxi or early 20th century. To add to the confusion even early forms of the Guanyin vase and bottle vases were also replicated . The only distinguishing factor were color of the glaze, which should be bright cherry red and not maroon and gloss- mustn't be too glossy and bubbles in glaze- must have very tinny bubbles, exposed neck area should be yellow in color and not green. There is no mention of foot glaze trimming. On those reasons, the real date of my hexagon langyao vase can only be known from a TLS test. |
Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: Samuel Wed, Mar 10, 2010 Sorry, wrong typing. |
Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Sat, Mar 13, 2010 I understand that the amazing collection of Chinese porcelain assembled by W.T. Walters, used by Bushell circa 1895 to illustrate his book Oriental Ceramic Art, remains virtually intact, possibly in a museum in Baltimore, Maryland. |
Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: toan Sun, Mar 14, 2010 Dear TONY and LEE |
Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: loulourose Tue, Feb 08, 2011 Yongzheng Imperial stembowl, mark and period - no crackle. Such amazing exquisite glaze, you can see why they are so prized. Unfortunately I'm selling because it is a little too precious for me to properly care for in my home so I don't want to post full photos just in case it could get me in trouble. . . but wanted to share my photos I took of the glaze up close. |
Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: George Chen Thu, Mar 09, 2017 Do all vases with Langyao glaze that run off the foot rim and require to be chipped off mean that they were made after the Ching dynasty in the Republic period? |
Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: JLim Fri, Sep 08, 2017
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Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: Jacob Sat, Aug 12, 2017 I heard there was a parable about a potter falling into the kiln chimney, desperate in his attempt to reproduce the sang de boeuf glaze. Can someone please elaborate this story for me? I'm very interested. |
Subject:Re: A Continuation of the Red Glazed Discussion
Posted By: Ellen Huang Wed, Aug 30, 2017 Hi. What a wonderful discussion. I have a forthcoming article in the Spring 2018 issue of Archives of Asian Art (Duke University Press) entitled, "An Art of Transformation: Reproducing Yaobian Glazes in Qing Dynasty Porcelain," that discusses origin of the textual documentation of this pottery jumping into the kiln story and it's material and textual afterlife. In short, I discuss the first appearance in a historical source, the Tiangong kaiwu and its adoption by the imperial administrator/court official, Tang Ying, in 1730. In Jingdezhen today, a large amount of space is dedicated to this potter in cultural heritage museums. |
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