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Subject:Ming cloisonne for your discussion
Posted By: kk Mon, Mar 01, 2010 IP: 75.36.169.215 Early Ming, |
Subject:Re: Ming cloisonne for your discussion
Posted By: LEE Tue, Mar 02, 2010 Hi KK, the following criteria I use to evaluate ming cloisonne. 1) Ming and early ching pieces should have a cast bronze body. Late Ching- Republic pieces have solder lines that you can spot on the rim, where hammered wrought copper body have been soldered together . Most Ming pieces are gilded. late Ching pieces are seldom gilded 2) the bronze wire used for ming cloisone were cast than cut and have different diameter along the same wire or between different wires and you often get split wires, probably during firing. Ching wires are more even in size as wrought wires were used. 3) the surface of the ming cloisone is pitted and have black spots because solder was used to stick the wire to the bronze body. During firing this melts and comes to the surface. Ching cloisonne used organic glue to fuse the wire to the bronze, so there are fewer black spots and pits. 4) The surface of Ching cloisone are finished relatively smooth while the Ming are more satin finished. 5) the Ming cloisone have the basic white, green, yellow, red, blue and the pink is a mixture of red and white. The colors are seldom mixed in the individual cloisone. In the Ching cloisone there are real pink and there may be more than 1 color in a wire enclosure. 6) the design and style of course is different between ming and ching except for the late ching period when they tried to replicate the ming pieces to supply the antique market. Based on the criteria I suspect this plate could be late Ching. |
Subject:Re: Ming cloisonne for your discussion
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Wed, Mar 03, 2010 Here is another Ming Jing Tai cloisonne piece, this one from Taiwan for $99.00. |
Subject:Re: Ming cloisonne for your discussion
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Thu, Mar 04, 2010 Sorry Folks, |
Subject:Re: Ming cloisonne for your discussion
Posted By: kk Fri, Mar 05, 2010 Tony, |
Subject:Re: Ming cloisonne for your discussion
Posted By: Robert Grady Wed, Mar 10, 2010 Kk, the last two pieces you posted are actually Japanese_made, NOT Chinese. The first of the last two pieces is a Chinese-influenced, Japanese-made Ming copy of a "mandarin hat" vessel. The stamp on both items is Japanese. |
Subject:Re: Ming cloisonne for your discussion
Posted By: Robert Grady Wed, Mar 10, 2010 Not Ming or Qing but representative of Japanese KAJI primitive work (1850) Edo period. |
Subject:Re: Ming cloisonne for your discussion
Posted By: kk Thu, Mar 11, 2010 Robert, I am not sure what you try to said. |
Subject:Re: Ming cloisonne for your discussion
Posted By: Robert Grady Fri, Mar 12, 2010 Kk, the first cloisonne piece you show is either a "primative" 1850 Edo period bowl(read:made in Japan), or it is a cheap knock-off of a "primative" cloisonne Edo bowl. It looks like the latter because after looking at it some more it seems a little too "primative". "Primative" in the sense that this is typically some of Japan's early cloisonne work. |
Subject:Re: Ming cloisonne for your discussion
Posted By: kk Sun, Mar 14, 2010 Rebort, |
Subject:Re: Ming cloisonne replica
Posted By: Pekingpeople Mon, Mar 15, 2010 I saw plenty of that bowl in PanChaiYuan Market, Mr.KK why you think it is real Ming Dynasty. It a replica bad fake. |
Subject:Re: Ming cloisonne replica
Posted By: david thomas Fri, Oct 25, 2013 Hi |
Subject:Re: Ming cloisonne replica
Posted By: MIke Fri, Oct 12, 2018 I wonder if someone could shed some light on this piece for me... I know this is an old thread but I thought I would try anyway. |
Subject:Blog post on "Fang Ming" cloisonne
Posted By: beadiste Thu, Oct 18, 2018 Maybe helpful, maybe more confusing... |
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