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Subject:Request help identifying the mark on Chinese Armorial dish
Posted By: Roger Sat, Aug 22, 2020 IP: 2601:281:c202:b68a:9

Greetings,
I would appreciate you assistance in identifying the mark on the back of this dish. The dish appears quite old but I'm not sure. Thank you!







Subject:Re: Request help identifying the mark on Chinese Armorial dish
Posted By: I.Nagy Sun, Aug 23, 2020

永勝堂製 - Yongsheng Tang -zhi - Made by Yongsheng Tang
Late Qing Dynasty and Republic era export porcelain, customized according to the requirements of foreign customers.

With regards,
I.Nagy

Subject:Re: Request help identifying the mark on Chinese Armorial dish
Posted By: Roger Tue, Sep 08, 2020

Thanks so much! Sorry for the late response.

Subject:Re: Request help identifying the mark on Chinese Armorial dish
Posted By: plasticman Sun, Aug 23, 2020

This is a 20th century plate done with the "Hapsburg" arms in an earlier style. There seems to be a run on this pattern and eBay currently has many for sale with different manufacturers and degrees of heavy potting.

Subject:Re: Request help identifying the mark on Chinese Armorial dish
Posted By: Roger Tue, Sep 08, 2020

Thank you! Sorry for the late response.

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Subject:Re: Request help identifying the mark on Chinese Armorial dish
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Aug 23, 2020

Your plate with faux Russian or Prussian armorial device in the cavetto has a base-mark, shown 90 degrees left of optimum viewing position, reading down and across from its top right as 'Made by the Hall of Everlasting Victory' (Yong sheng tang zhi - 永勝堂製). The gotheborg.com website shows examples of this mark on porcelain items with labels of 'Made in the People's Republic of China', indicating late 20th century or subsequent manufacture.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Request help identifying the mark on Chinese Armorial dish
Posted By: Roger Tue, Sep 08, 2020

Thanks Bill! Sorry for the late response.

Subject:Re: Request help identifying the mark on Chinese Armorial dish
Posted By: plasticman Wed, Sep 09, 2020

Just for historical accuracy, the arms shown are trying to mimic neither Russian nor Prussian arms. They do attempt to illustrate the Habsburg arms of the family that reigned over the Austro-Hungarian Empire. What is remarkable is that no direct connection ever existed between Chinese porcelain "hongs" with any country displaying those arms, though the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Prussia did for a limited period trade through intermediaries.

Subject:Re: Request help identifying the mark on Chinese Armorial dish
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Sep 10, 2020

Blame it on my old reference book with its postage stamp drawings and small print. :(

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Request help identifying the mark on Chinese Armorial dish
Posted By: Roger Thu, Sep 10, 2020

Thanks again! I appreciate your expertise and help!


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