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Subject:Identifying a seal of a porcelain flambe glaze bowl
Posted By: Stefanie Riedel Sat, Nov 30, 2019 IP: 2003:cf:ff41:ee00:b9

Hi there!

I cannot read chinese, I think it could be a seal for names. Can anyone read this out, please?
FYI: it occurs on a flambe glazed porcelain bowl.


Thanks a lot for any replies!



Subject:Re: Identifying a seal of a porcelain flambe glaze bowl
Posted By: mikeoz Sun, Dec 01, 2019

If you were to share with us what your bowl looks like, I will happily translate the seal for you. But this is not a free translation service. It is a group of people interested Asian Art, who SHARE their knowledge and interests, and opportunities to expand their experience..

Subject:Re: Identifying a seal of a porcelain flambe glaze bowl
Posted By: Thomas Mezei Mon, Dec 02, 2019

Done! I read it out aloud. Thank you for showing us a picture of the item.

Subject:Re: Identifying a seal of a porcelain flambe glaze bowl
Posted By: Stefanie Riedel Tue, Dec 03, 2019

Of course here are another pictures! I did not know that it has importance, I thought it could be a unknown name. But thank you for the reply.

Thank you very much for this great help in advance.





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Subject:Re: Identifying a seal of a porcelain flambe glaze bowl
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Dec 03, 2019

This is an example of a "grotto" vase with recessed images of the Chinese Goddess of Mercy, Guanyin. The seal-script mark appears to read down and across from the top right, as shown in the photo: '博陶雲藝' (Bo Tao Yun Yi), literally 'Extensive porcelain and cloud of art'. However, 'Bo' also means 'Knowledgeable', and 'Tao' can be a surname. In any event, I found a residual Google index listing (but not the entire page) for a 'Tao Yun Yi Xiao Wu/陶雲藝小屋' translatable as 'Taoyun Art Studio', selling raw materials for porcelain-making in the Shiwan District of Foshan. This is the suburb of Guangzhou (former Canton) where kilns make the famous 'Mudmen' and other pottery art with flambé glazes and firing characteristics similar to your vase.

I gather from the lack of live Google hits that the Taoyun Art Studio probably is no longer in business, but I would speculate it might have been a vestige of the kiln that made your vase a decade or two ago and perhaps had been involved in disposing of its physical assets when the Google information first appeared.

Best regards and thanks for the pictures,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Identifying a seal of a porcelain flambe glaze bowl
Posted By: Stefanie Riedel Wed, Dec 04, 2019

Thank you very much for all the information.
I personally like it very much. I have found a very similar grotto vase, but this hits not really my taste.

Now what I have learned, I am maybe interested in shiwan wares, although this one above is officially not called shiwan ware, or is it?
can I call like this because from the origin of the manufacture?

I did not knew these before.

Here are pictures, unfortunately, there is no further information available:






Subject:Re: Identifying a seal of a porcelain flambe glaze bowl
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Dec 05, 2019

I found through further searching that there is an entity at Shiwan called the 'Boyun Pottery Factory' (Bo yun tao fang - 博雲陶坊), which makes a variety of sculpted art pottery (see image of mark below and two auction links to paste in your browser).

Presuming it was written in ancient form, I'd read the mark on your originally posted Guanyin piece down and across from the right as '博陶雲藝' (Bo Tao Yun Yi). However, what I've learned since then makes me think the seal should have been read across from right to left in two horizontal lines as '博雲陶藝' (Boyun Tao yi), 'Abundant Clouds Porcelain Art'.

The new photos of a similar vase or censer also appears to be readable in two horizontal lines from right to left from the top. In this manner the seal would read as '博雲陶品' (Bo yun tao pin), 'Boyun pottery product'.

Whatever the case, the first link below shows the name 'Boyun Pottery Factory' (博雲陶坊 - Boyun Taofang) is included in normal modern reading format in the auction title. However, it also shows the seal on the item (a lotus bowl with frog on rim) is read properly in ancient form down and across from the top right.

The second link below doesn't show a seal but indicates in the title that the ornamental box being auctioned is a 1990s-vintage piece by the 'Boyun Pottery Factory' (Bo yun tao fang - 博雲陶坊) and bears a seal of 'Boyun Fine Product' (Bo yun jing pin - 博雲精品).

http://auction.socang.com/collection/1862349.html

https://auction.artron.net/paimai-art18550060/

This pottery producer is still in business, if you can believe the internet. There's a listing for them at the following website.

https://www.dianping.com/shop/10309851

The site has a link for commentators, one of whom left the information below the address:

Boyun Taofang
Location: Shiwan, Gaomiao Road 5 - 24
Opening hours: Monday to Sunday 09:00-18:00

This is the shop of provincial art master Luo Chuan (羅傳, his works mainly are based on natural looking flowers, fish and insects and plants, entirely different from the traditional small doll-like figurines made in Shiwan.

Hopefully this will give you something more to go on for awhile. I googled the address and note that there were at least a couple of porcelain 'pavilions' (studios) in the location. It may be that my speculation of an earlier factory going out of business may have been an overestimation, and they just underwent reorganization.

Best regards,

Bill H.




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