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Subject:Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: Tony Winn Thu, Sep 05, 2019 IP: 98.152.172.26 Dear all, |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: Tony Winn Fri, Sep 06, 2019 Here are the images :) |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: rat Sat, Sep 07, 2019 if you are fond of the paintings, why are you posting only images of forged signatures and fake seals? just show the paintings. |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: Tony Winn Sun, Sep 08, 2019 Dear friend, |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: rat Tue, Sep 10, 2019 Sure, and sorry to be curt, it's just much more interesting to see artwork, especially when prefaced by how much you enjoy it, rather than a series of requests from various folks asking for free translation of the seals and inscriptions on their items. |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: Tony Winn Sun, Sep 08, 2019 Sorry, I did not answer your previous question. I don't read Chinese so I thought I could learn more about the artist and what it says by posting the writings and the seals. |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: rat Tue, Sep 10, 2019 Hi Tony, |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: Tony Winn Tue, Sep 10, 2019 Thanks again RAT for your input!!! |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: Tony Winn Wed, Sep 11, 2019 Due to the lapse in the time it took to post a message, I posted the last two comments before seeing Rat’s two last messages :) |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: rat Thu, Sep 12, 2019 My pleasure, and if it helps you are in good company wishing there weren't so many seals on pictures--the Qianlong emperor is well-known and not liked for stamping his seals all over things he liked as well as writing poetic inscriptions on them that take up a lot of the empty space the artist intended. Fortunately his connoisseurship was not the best, so in one instance he stamped and marked up a copy of a particularly prominent painting and spared the genuine version, which he thought was the copy. |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: John R Sun, Sep 15, 2019 Tony, I've been trying to "read" the forensics of your paintings. Some of the Qianlong seals appear to have been added to enhance the history of these paintings, but do not match exactly his recorded seals. It looks like they were added after the paper of the painting was cracked from rolling and unrolling. These seals fill in the paper damage but the original ink and seals don't. The earliest damage to the paper should affect the entire original image,but later additions should fill in some of this damage. Another interesting note is that the earliest seals are a deeper shade of red than the later seals. An effect that I have been researching for many years. Hello rat. |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: Tony Winn Wed, Sep 18, 2019 Dear John, |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: Tony Winn Wed, Sep 18, 2019 Also, as for your thought on the color of the seals, I noticed that, too :) I just thought that it could totally depend on the color of the ink and the condition (wet /slightly dried off) of the ink pads that were used. |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: Tony Winn Wed, Sep 18, 2019 Please see the circular seal in this painting below about our seal discussion John :) |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: John R Thu, Sep 19, 2019 Tony, That last painting that you pictured has been artificially aged. The cracking is much too evenly spaced to have occurred naturally. Naturally cracking would tend to be closer at the top of the painting and have lesser damage towards the bottom. This happens because the painting is in a tighter spiral when it is rolled up. |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: Tony Winn Fri, Sep 20, 2019 Thanks very much for pointing that out John! With artificially aging process, they really "destroyed" what rather was a decent nice painting :( |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: Tony Winn Mon, Sep 23, 2019 It is a strange material the painting is on! I am not sure it is paper or silk. |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: rat Tue, Sep 24, 2019 It's definitely on paper |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: rat Tue, Sep 24, 2019 It doesn't jog my memory, but that doesn't mean there isn't a common original. Sometimes the original is lost and we only have copies. This one however seems much like the others you have shared: a modern creation in traditional style that has been distressed to appear old. Like the other pictures too, the multiple signatures and seals suggest an effort to make it appear to be an imperial treasure that it is not. |
Subject:Re: Chinese hanging scroll painting
Posted By: Tony Winn Wed, Sep 25, 2019 Spoken like a true expert! |
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