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Subject:Chinese Cylinder Vases - Year Made?
Posted By: escmode Sat, May 25, 2019 IP: 92.237.174.61

Hello, it's my first post here... nice to meet you all! I've just started an online vintage store, so it's great to have a resource like this.

I was hoping someone might be able to help with these two Chinese Vases. I've translated what text I can and know they feature the Chinese hero Yue Fei and Zhao Jun, one of the Four Beauties of ancient China.

I'd really like to confirm the year they were produced. I can make out the character for 'Year' and what I think is 'Made'. But I'm stumped after that. Spent several hours searching Google images but couldn't find anything similar, which makes me think they're very modern?

Thanks,
Patrick





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Subject:Re: Chinese Cylinder Vases - Year Made?
Posted By: Bill H Sun, May 26, 2019

These are transfer-decorated pieces, possibly made at one of the Hong Kong factories in the late 20th century or subsequently. A company named "WL" in Hong Kong was producing various transfer motifs on crackle-glazed blanks in the 1990's and later, but this is not to say your cylindrical vases weren't made by another shop there, in Macao or on the Mainland. Both of these vases have apocryphal base-marks of "Made during the Qianlong Reign of the Great Qing Dynasty" (Da Qing Qianlong Nian Zhi - 大清乾隆年製).

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Chinese Cylinder Vases - Year Made?
Posted By: Martin Michels Sun, May 26, 2019

Although the marks are hardly readable, there is enough to recognize these:
Da 大 Qing 清 Qianlong 嘉慶 Nian 年 Zhi 製 = Great Qing (dynasty) Qianlog Period Made.
The Qianlong period was from 1736 till 1795, but these vases are 20th century.
See also: http://gotheborg.com/marks/20thcenturychina.shtml

Regards,
Martin.

Subject:Re: Chinese Cylinder Vases - Year Made?
Posted By: Patrick Sun, May 26, 2019

Thanks for the replies Bill & Martin - much appreciated!

So the vase on the left would originally have had 6 marks? (the right column being totally rubbed away. Abd would translate as 'Da Qing Qianlong Nian Zhi' , as you both pointed out.

I translated the little Chinese language sticker on the side of the tattered box they came in - both the original and translation included here. The sticker says Beijing - but maybe they were sent to a shop from HK after production?

If you had to choose would you say these were 70's or 90's? Although they’re decorative items probably for the export market, would you say they are vases or brush holders?

Either way, I think they’re are really nice-looking items.

Thanks again.





Subject:Re: Chinese Cylinder Vases - Year Made?
Posted By: Bill H Mon, May 27, 2019

Yes, both your vases have heavily-abraded six-character marks. Regarding the label, Google identifies A Beijing Junjian Co., Ltd., as a home improvement firm, but in a different section of Beijing. This sounds like a good candidate for the one that sold your vases, perhaps decades ago. There's a Holiday Inn Express now located not far from where the Junjian store used to be, which sounds like a high-rent tourist district.

After I posted my earlier comment, I ran across an eBay auction (Link Below) for a pair of more elaborately adorned moon vases with transfer decoration on central panels having the same type of classical martial motif as seen on one of yours. These two vases have base-marks within lozenge-shaped reserves, reading "Zhongguo, Jingdezhen" (中国景德镇) in two lines read from left to right. I've shown simplified characters above, because they're typically found in post-liberation (1950s-70s)marks, although the photos is too indistinct to count strokes. These vases are described as "vintage", suggesting you may be able to subtract at least a generation's worth of time from yours.

Best regards,

Bill H




URL Title :Jingdezhen Moon Vases


Subject:Re: Chinese Cylinder Vases - Year Made?
Posted By: Patrick Wed, May 29, 2019

Thanks Bill... that's really helpful. Although I couldn't open the link or find it in 'completed/sold' items.

I've spent hours over the last few days looking at hundreds of photo's... convincing myself I'll find the exact one somewhere. But to no avail yet.

I found a few that are close (?).

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lot-3-China-Chinese-Polychrome-Porcelain-Brush-Pots-w-Calligraphy-Decor-20-21st/122916185018?hash=item1c9e6023ba:g:knUAAOSwFLBaXSmt

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chinese-Jingdezhen-Dragon-and-Flaming-Pearl-Porcelain-Brush-Pot-w-Red-Seal-Mark-/303142356136?hash=item4694b144a8%3Ag%3A2MkAAOSwIYdciXnm&nma=true&si=7ZxfGFQ4%252B9Gu9nez9x8pic2LbEU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557


This is the most similar, although the seller knows less than I do.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Chinese-Crackle-Glaze-Porcelain-Small-Vase-or-Brush-Pot/183773378581?hash=item2ac9bf3815:g:Y1AAAOSwRcZcjT7C

The following two are presumably the real deal and the ones I have are paying homage to this style and period?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-of-Chinese-Antique-Famille-Rose-Porcelain-Vases-w-Longevity/263403791232?_trkparms=aid%3D333200%26algo%3DCOMP.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20171012094517%26meid%3D853b7a183a3843499f27b877f0db56c8%26pid%3D100008%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D202655516290%26itm%3D263403791232&_trksid=p2047675.c100008.m2219


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Vintage-Chinese-Hand-Painted-Porcelain-Horses-Partten-Vase-Brush-Pot/254206397683?hash=item3b2fe1ccf3:g:w~EAAOSwQjNW9HDQ



Regarding the technique, so these are not hand painted OR Polychrome but actually use a transfer which is applied after they've been fired? And finally glazed?


One last request, when you say:

" These vases are described as "vintage", suggesting you may be able to subtract at least a generation's worth of time from yours. "

Could you state that in terms of the decade... e.g 50's / 60's/ 70's etc?

Either way, they don't have much value I presume? no more than $20?

Thanks again Bill, you've been tremendously helpful.

Cheers,
Patrick

Subject:Re: Chinese Cylinder Vases - Year Made?
Posted By: Bill H Thu, May 30, 2019

Would appear that the auction for my link was removed, perhaps on completion. Your first link looks to show items from the same factory or one making the same type items from the same kind of crackle-glaze material. The two pieces on the right and middle of the photo showing base-marks have the same kind of Qianlong stamp as the abraded ones on yours. The mark on the left-hand item also is Qianlong but in seal script.

My reference to "generation" simply meant you should subtract three or four decades off 2019.

Best regards,

Bill H,

Subject:Re: Chinese Cylinder Vases - Year Made?
Posted By: Bill H Thu, May 30, 2019

The eBay link that wouldn't work popped up again on my browser courtesy of Google or somebody else's Ad-flood program. Let's see if it works. Two days left til it finishes.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-2-CHINESE-PORCELAIN-MOON-FLASK-VASES-FAMILLE-ROSE-VINTAGE/123782347755?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20180105095853%26meid%3D513d41ae136541a79f1a4300f3bd5166%26pid%3D100903%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D20%26sd%3D293104487302%26itm%3D123782347755&_trksid=p2509164.c100903.m5276

Best regards,

Bill H.


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