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Subject:Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Jack Wed, Mar 06, 2019 IP: 2a02:c7d:2a2d:7500:6 I think this lovely bowl is Japanese. Can somebody help me understand it better by translating the text on the side and the stamp on the bottom? |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Mark Adams Wed, Mar 06, 2019 Can't help with translation. However judging the blue rim, base and base mark they appear to be printed transfer. You will note the gapes. |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Bill H Wed, Mar 06, 2019 I'm not up to snuff when it comes to anything poetic, like the first part of the inscription, but the base-mark on your cup (shown upside down) says "Jingdezhen Zhi" (Made at Jingdezhen), meaning it was made in China. The second half of the inscription also has a cyclical date that seems to indicate it was made in the summer of 1942 (renwu/壬午 year) at Zhushan (珠山/Pearl Mountain), another name for Jingdezhen. |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Jack Thu, Mar 07, 2019 Thanks for your input Mark. Can you tell me what you mean by 'gapes' or is that a typo for gaps? I should like to be more accurate when identifying transfers, so any clues much appreciated. |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Bill H Fri, Mar 08, 2019 The above blue seal is just the base-mark, read from the top right down and across as "Jingdezhen Zhi", "Made in Jingdezhen. The spot I'm stuck on is the third character stack from the left side of the inscription. It's clear enough, I'm just unsure of how to read it. If it's a name, It's probably a given name or nickname. Could refer to the scenery, since the top character looks like 旺/Wang, which means "Blooming". |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Jack Sat, Mar 09, 2019 Many thanks Bill. |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Mark Adams Sat, Mar 09, 2019 The gaps I posted are about the rim, base and seal mark on your item. |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Bill H Sat, Mar 09, 2019 To that minority of one who seems to have been reading this thread with closed eyes, in the first couple of sentences of his post, Jack had already referred to the cup's base-mark as "the stamp on the bottom". Clearly, no further explanation was needed about how a "stamp" is a means to "imprint" information. But the painting is by hand, and should the signature prove to be of a known artist, then the value of the piece could be more than just decorative. Question answered within the scope of limitations clearly stated. |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: I.Nagy Sat, Mar 09, 2019 Translation of the inscriptions, |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Jack Sat, Mar 09, 2019 I see what you mean Mark: the 'painting' is broken up on the rim decorations...if this was hand painted the artist would have not left these gaps. Thanks for the information. |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Jack Sun, Mar 10, 2019 Good morning all. |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Mar 10, 2019 Yes, transfer-printed decoration often can be identified not only by gaps in the pattern but by asymmetries in repeating patterns, like where an entire scepter head links up to half of another in the middle of the first photo above. In hand-painted borders, the artist makes accommodations so that symmetry isn't spoiled in this manner. |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Jack Mon, Mar 11, 2019 That's great Bill, many thanks. |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Mar 12, 2019 As far as I know, the mixing of hand painting with transfer content was and still is common. At the simplest, lots of hand-painted Chinese bowls made during the late 19th and early 20th century had stamped-on reign marks, some of them of the period. Also, many ornamentation factories lay down patterns with stamps or other types of transfers and then overpaint them. Depending on the skill of the artist, it may be difficult to tell any difference. |
Subject:Re: Japanese Rice Bowl - please help with the markings
Posted By: Jack Wed, Mar 13, 2019 Thank you for your patience Bill, much appreciated. |
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