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Subject:Hirasa Ware, Satsuma, Tokugawa
Posted By: Frederic Heringes Sat, Nov 03, 2018 IP: 24.116.236.90
I found this cup today at an estate sale. It had a label stating: "Hirasa War of Satsuma Province, Tokugawa, 18th Century" The porcelain is very thin and very white. Beautiful. Any information or opinions anyone could give me would be appreciated. I don't know anything about Hirasa Ware. It is 3.25 inches high. Thank you.







Subject:Re: Hirasa Ware, Satsuma, Tokugawa
Posted By: Martin Michels Mon, Nov 05, 2018
Dear Frederic,
The mark in my opinion reads (your picture is upside down): Sasshu 薩州 Sei 製 (Made by Sasshu) in Japanese Kanji. In Chinese: Sàzhōu Zhi (made by Sazhou). See my picture 1.
However, was not able to find anything about this name.

If Japanese, I don't think it's Hirasa ware. Hirasa Yaki is very rare to find, I only found 1 item on the internet, see pictures 2 and 3.
As you can see, that looks more like Satsuma ware than your cup. Old Satsuma ware is earthenware, not porcelain.

In the book of Hazel H. Gorham: Japanese & Oriental Ceramics" is written about Hirasa:
"A ware which is almost indistinguishable from Satsuma is Hirasa yaki, sometimes called Sarayama yaki, because the kiln was in Sarayama village of Hirasa".
Which is in line with my remark about Satsuma pottery. I found another text as well: " Hirasa-yaki is started in 1776, but it closed down after a few years".

So, Hirasa? I don't think so. 18th century? I don't know, but not likely.

But hopefully one of the other experts can tell more or comment on my findings.
Regards,
Martin.







Subject:Re: Hirasa Ware, Satsuma, Tokugawa
Posted By: Bill H Wed, Nov 07, 2018
The pattern with figures and calligraphy is similar to what was being produced in China during the 2nd and 3rd quarters of the 19th century as "Myths & Legends" or the "Wushuangpu" (Incomparables) motif. This suggests to me that your cup could have been made around the same time in Japan.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Hirasa Ware, Satsuma, Tokugawa
Posted By: Frederic Heringes Thu, Nov 08, 2018
Bill: Thank you for the helpful information!

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Subject:Re: Hirasa Ware, Satsuma, Tokugawa
Posted By: Frederic Heringes Thu, Nov 08, 2018
Thank you Martin. That now makes sense to me Re Satsuma/Hirasa origins. Yes, the cup is definitely porcelain

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