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Subject:Lovely green vase with tiny signature
Posted By: Jack Wed, Oct 10, 2018 IP: 90.214.155.32
Hallo all.
I have purchased my Chinese starter book (by Oliver Moore), and I think the marks on this vase maybe Chinese...but I'm not certain! The vase is 4.5" tall and 5" in diameter.
Can somebody please identify the marks to establish maker and possible date?
Thank you.
Jack







Subject:Re: Lovely green vase with tiny signature
Posted By: mikeoz Wed, Oct 10, 2018
Korean

Subject:Re: Lovely green vase with tiny signature
Posted By: Martin Michels Thu, Oct 11, 2018
I believe the mark is: 松月 = Shogetsu in Japanese.
Looking at the decoration it seems to me last half of 20th century.
But I'm not completely sure this is Japanese, so perhaps others can tell more.
Regards,
Martin.

Subject:Re: Lovely green vase with tiny signature
Posted By: mikeoz Thu, Oct 11, 2018
The two characters are 松 and 月. They could be read either left to right, or right to left. Their meanings are 松 - pine tree, and 月 - moon.

They could be a given name or a pen-name.

I have no idea of the pronunciation in Korean, in either direction.

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Subject:Re: Lovely green vase with tiny signature
Posted By: Jack Thu, Oct 11, 2018
Thank you mikeoz/Martin, I appreciate your input.
Just to be clear: are we saying the pot is probably Korean but the markings are Japanese? From my little book I understand that spoken Korean/Japanese do not relate to Chinese, but I am unaware of the language 'connections' between Korean and Japanese...and would such connections make it logical to have Japanese marks on a Korean pot?
Are there any clues to who make this pot?
Thanks.
Jack.

Subject:Re: Lovely green vase with tiny signature
Posted By: Jack Thu, Oct 11, 2018
Quick follow up to my last post...
Mike, I can see a number of Korean 'celadon' pots which seem similar to the colour/design of my pot; so that seem right.
mikeoz, I assumed your translation referred to a description of the pot whereas I think you were referring to the name of the maker - my mistake. Is there a way to match such clues as Pine Tree and Moon to a person name?
Thank again.

Subject:Re: Lovely green vase with tiny signature
Posted By: mikeoz Fri, Oct 12, 2018
Just a quick note on Chinese, Japanese and Korean writings.

At one time, all writing in those three countries used only Chinese characters. The Japanese developed a supplementary system of phonetic symbols (kana) to use with the Kanji (漢字 - Chinese characters) to allow the accurate writing of the spoken Japanese language, which is very different in syntax to Chinese.

Korean is written in Hangul, a phonetic system that creates syllabic elements which look a little like Chinese characters. The Hangul system was invented in the 15th century by the emperor Sejong.

However, in both Japan and Korea, Chinese characters continue to be often used in artistic efforts, paintings, calligraphies and personal signatures and seals, as they are considered to show a higher level of culture.

Subject:Re: Lovely green vase with tiny signature
Posted By: Martin Michels Sat, Oct 13, 2018
Hallo Jack,

Mikeoz is right, it's a Korean celadon vase with marking 松月 = Songwol.
I googled with keywords "songwol korea celadon" and found a number of sites with Songwol. One of those had the following text:

Korean celadon tea-bowl by the contemporary Korean potter Kim Chong-ho of the Song-wol kiln in Icheon (Gyeonggi, South Korea).
Bottom mark: Song-wol.

Regards,
Martin.

Subject:Re: Lovely green vase with tiny signature
Posted By: Jack Mon, Oct 15, 2018
MikeOz & Martin, thank you so much for the information you have provided: your knowledge is invaluable to this site.
Kind regards
Jack.

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