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Subject:Qianlong Dynasty
Posted By: Alton Sat, Oct 17, 2015 IP: 98.238.33.208

I have this 7.5 inch vase in the pomegranate style associated with this period except for the character shaped like the "5" or "S" which is backwards. I have read that some genuine pieces do have this variation and is not necessarily a fake. The patina on this piece is beautiful and can only be appreciated in person; the camera does not capture it well enough. It may have been buried at some point in time because the inside is very dirty. I was disappointed to see the chip under the rim but also glad that it was just there and not visible unless it was turned upside down. I am glad that I found it when I did and fake or real have a treasure; because I like it so much. I noticed that there are some items intertwined by rope on each side near the snake dragon tails. Could this be a burial vase?The link to the variations in calligraphy is provided. I am trying to add photos but it keep saying it need to be less than 500 KB.

Link :Seal Marks and Calligraphy


Subject:Re: Qianlong Dynasty
Posted By: Bill H. Mon, Oct 19, 2015

So where are the pictures of your vase, or are you just trying to involve everyone in the judgment of another forum? Did I overlook that goal in the preamble to this forum?

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Qianlong Dynasty
Posted By: Alton Mon, Oct 19, 2015

I was able to post a few pictures one at a time. They are being reviewed. Maybe my iPad is not the best to do that.

Subject:Re: Qianlong Dynasty
Posted By: Alton Mon, Oct 19, 2015

Seal mark under the vase.



Subject:Re: Qianlong Dynasty
Posted By: Alton Mon, Oct 19, 2015

One more picture.



Subject:Re: Qianlong Dynasty
Posted By: rat Mon, Oct 19, 2015

I can't tell exactly what you are asking from the information you have provided, nor do I agree with some of the broad generalizations made in your link (e.g., if they are "top experts", they certainly do know what they are talking about in their field of expertise; your writer was not talking to an expert), but Qianlong refers to the reign of the Qing emperor Gaozong, whose Chinese name was Hongli, but is commonly referred to as "the Qianlong emperor." People mistakenly call him Qianlong, but this is a mistake: Qianlong refers specifically to the name of the period of time during which he ruled. (In earlier dynasties, an emperor might call a certain number of years of his rule the "Fabulous" period, and then after 15 years of that declare that starting now the country was entering the "Awesome" period, even if the same guy stayed on the throne throughout.)

Objects of all levels of quality have been labeled with Qianlong marks ever since Hongli took the throne in 1736; there might even be more of them being made today each year than during his reign (slight exaggeration there perhaps). So your object might have been made in 1922, 1856, 1748, or 2013 and have a Qianlong mark of some sort on it. The mark alone does not define what the object is or when it was made.

Subject:Re: Qianlong Dynasty
Posted By: Alton Mon, Oct 19, 2015

Here is a picture I managed to post.



Subject:Re: Qianlong Dynasty
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Oct 20, 2015

I've seen vases like this sold as Republic-period (1912-1949), and some that you’ll find on the market might well be of that era. However, in my opinion, most of them you’re likely to encounter on sale nowadays were made after 1950. This seems especially likely, considering how many of them seen in online live auctions don’t draw offers at a time when Chinese bidders otherwise seem anxious to repatriate almost any real Chinese antique of value. Most vases like yours found in my look at eBay and liveauctioneers.com sales before making this posting had incised Qianlong six-character marks. It is safe to say that any kind of Qianlong-marked item found on sale in an eBay auction from China is not of the period, because China does not allow the export of anything of such historical, cultural or artistic value that predates 1949.

Asian Arts Forum contributor and author Anthony J. Allen recently published his fifth book, "Allen's Antique Chinese Porcelain -- The Detection of Fakes", which shows that period-porcelains of the Qianlong reign can be found with markings having both the regular and reversed "S" element. Some "minyao" or popular-kiln wares of both the Qianlong and Jiaqing eras are known for their irregularly written six-character marks, and many such Qianlong minyao marks also have the reversed "S". Though apparently quite rare, I've also spotted one reversed "S" overglaze red mark on a Qianlong imperial vase in one of my Taipei Palace Museum catalogs.

Here are comparative photos of two Qianlong mark & period 7.5-inch minyao plates from my collection, one with quail decoration on celadon glaze and a “normal” base-mark, and the other having floral motif on green sgraffito ground with reversed “S” mark. But don’t let this stop you from adding Tony Allen’s books to your personal reference library.

Best regards,

Bill H.







Subject:Re: Qianlong Dynasty
Posted By: Alton Wed, Oct 21, 2015

Thanks to everyone especially Bill. I will treasure it and display it proudly. It's an interesting piece of pottery.

Subject:Re: Qianlong Dynasty
Posted By: Ashley Sun, Jan 14, 2018

Thank you Bill, much appreciated. Are you able to suggest approx value for each plate?

Regards

Ashley, Adelaide

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