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Subject:help identifying scroll stamps
Posted By: Rev. Joed Miller Sun, Jan 07, 2018 IP: 72.173.164.190 Aloha, years ago I took my moms old scrolls to Honolulu to a specialist in Asian art but have long lost the information he gave me of course. All I seem to remember is that he may have told me they were from the 1840s?? if I send photos of the stamps might someone be kind enough to help me identify the stamps (signatures/meanings). I would like to know so I can pass these on to my niece with information. All I know is that my father got these in Japan in the late 30s for mom and she loved them. Any help would be a god send. B;esing for the new year. Kind Regards, Rev. Joed Miller |
Subject:Re: help identifying scroll stamps
Posted By: I.Nagy Tue, Jan 09, 2018 The seal reads, |
Subject:Re: help identifying scroll stamps
Posted By: rat Wed, Jan 10, 2018 Yes, probably from the NPM shop. This is month 1 from a set of twelve scrolls depicting "the activities of the 12 months": |
Subject:Re: help identifying scroll stamps
Posted By: Rev. Joed Miller Thu, Jan 11, 2018 Thank you for responding . I am not sure if you think these are new pieces made just recently?? They have been in my family with other silks brought home by my father in the 30s and 40s. they are in beautiful condition on silk and the coors and shading is amazing but trust me they are not new. Can you enlighten me on what your response means? Kind regards Rev. Joed ps I can take full photos of the scrolls on wooden rollers if you so desire?? |
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Posted By: rev. Joed Miller Thu, Jan 11, 2018 wow the site you sent me to is the exact paintings I have. However if you look the papers and ink colors are far different. The ones on the site you sent me are smooth paper in appearance and mine I can promise are a silk kind of cloth or a handmade cloth paper pounded into sheets. the outer edge is a different paper not cloth however. I will put them side by side here please let me know if you see the differences I am speaking of. Kind & best regards, Rev. Joed |
Subject:Re: help identifying scroll stamps
Posted By: rev. joed miller Wed, Jan 10, 2018 mahalo for your assistance. the appraiser said it was actually worth like 200 dollars which kind of made us think twice about his estimate. we didn't understand why something from only the 1940s would be worth that much so we kept them. what is your advice for us to do with these?? |
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Posted By: David Wed, Jan 10, 2018 Dear Rev Joed |
Subject:Re: help identifying scroll stamps
Posted By: Rev. Joed Miller Thu, Jan 11, 2018 Mahalo for your long response. it is informative. I need to look and see the spots like you say. Ok I reviewed the pieces with a magnifying glass and the indentations or dots we are seeing is actually in the paper/silk itself it appears. but you say that even in an 1875 lithograph these may perhaps have a nice value?? And that if they ARE hand painted or bock stamped they might be originals of great importance?? I am totally a novice & appreciate all of your advice. But of course I am getting old and have congestive heart failure and am actually trying to find home for all my "treasures", I have collected my entire life odd things and mom left me quite a bit over the years. I even have a occupied set of Noritake which I know is not rare unless of course you can find a set that was only made in one set and a special color & pattern unlisted in any of the companies history of sold patterns made as single gifts during occupied Japan just to keep the artisans and kilns operating. I have one set like this. but in this thread the scrolls are my interest. Either way id like to learn more and possibly see to it that they find a good proud home either as lithos from 1875 or the far rarer more valuable original's and see to it that everyone who helps, my wife and the new owner enjoy the transaction and do well. If I am wrong in requesting help I apologize. Kind regards, Rev. Joed Miller |
Subject:Re: help identifying scroll stamps
Posted By: rat Thu, Jan 11, 2018 Yes, and it is highly unlikely that this image was made or purchased in the 1930s, when Japan had invaded and was occupying substantial parts of China and the imperial collection (of which this was a part) had been put in crates and moved south and southwest from Beijing (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/arts/design/07treasures.html?pagewanted=all): |
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