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Subject:Possible Guangxu dish?
Posted By: JLim Sun, Oct 29, 2017 IP:

Dear all

Also at the same rural antique shop I came across an exact pair of dishes of the type I show below pictured. One of the pair was slightly hairlined. The other was totally intact.

Unfortunately I was not able to get a photograph of the foot of the plates, which looked crisp and had an apocryphal and hand painted iron red Qianlong mark. The footrim was quite sharp and white, but seemed to be genuinely old porcelain.

I have seen similar designs before on Guangxu era porcelains. The depicted animals are stylised phoenixes in famille rose enamels, with distinctive black spots on them like measles. The dealer seemed to think they were late Qing or early Republic and I would tend to agree.

There was no iridescence of the green enamels, nor any pinholing of the pink, yellow or blue enamels that I could see. Nevertheless I remain convinced that the object is genuinely antique because of the nature of the enamels.

Has anyone seen a design of this sort before? Would such "measles phoenixes" be characteristic of Guangxu? And could these conceiveably be Imperial porcelains?

Kind regards

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Subject:Re: Possible Guangxu dish?
Posted By: m Tue, Oct 31, 2017

Similar design. Teacup size.

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Subject:Re: Possible Guangxu dish?
Posted By: JLim Fri, Nov 03, 2017

Thank you m. Any ideas as to age?

Kind regards

Subject:Re: Possible Guangxu dish?
Posted By: JLim Thu, Nov 16, 2017

Dear all

Just to update you on this object: although the "measles phoenixes" are typical of Guangxu porcelain, I have concluded that this object is probably Republican era, and cannot possibly be Guangxu imperial, for the following reasons:

First, I have located vases decorated similarly in Sothebys catalogue for their New York 18.03.08 sale, page 199. However, the decoration and colour scheme more closely resembles M's cup. The plate I saw has a much more pastelly sort of colour to the enamelling. This Anthony Allen regards as a sign of Republican origin.

Second, even if it is Guangxu, an overglaze Qialong mark in red is unlikely to appear on an Imperial porcelain, as opposed to an underglaze blue Guangxu mark.

Kind regards
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