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Subject:Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: Endre Tue, Oct 17, 2017 IP: 2602:306:c51c:e200:f

I picked one up and was hoping someone had some tips about framing this. It is extremely fragile and I would like to keep the text on the lower right corner visible. It has already been seamed together and there appears to be a repair to the lower right corner. Also, if anyone knows what ehon this was from, I would appreciate it. I looked through all that I could find on the Met website and elsewhere, I couldn't find it. It looks like Hokusai school from what I have seen. Though the woman I bought it from is Japanese, she couldn't give me too much information. She did state that it had something to do with karaki ueno brother of sakurai and murder revenge. The last piece I was going to frame turned out to be a likely reproduction, so Im hoping this one is a period piece. I only paid a dollar for the fake, but I paid a little more for this one, and it has me suspicious a little. Either way I don't want to spend more to frame it than it's value after framing. Thanks to anyone who has any suggestions







Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: mikeoz Wed, Oct 18, 2017

Your images here are upside down, despite the unfortunate pose of the bald-headed man. The text square should bottom right.

Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: Endre Wed, Oct 18, 2017

Not upside down on my screen. Any framing advice?

Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: Endre Wed, Oct 18, 2017

Mikoz, I see what you mean now. I am viewing simultaneously on my phone and tablet. On the phone it is upside down, but on the tablet it is right side up. Very strange, I think that happened before on a different post.

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Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: I. Nagy Wed, Oct 18, 2017

The text reads,
唐木 上野に櫻井兄弟を討
Karaki, Ueno ni Sakurai kyoudai wo utsu
Karaki kills the Sakurai brothers at Ueno.

I could not find anything related to the mentioned names.

With regards,
I.Nagy


Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: Endre Thu, Oct 19, 2017

Thank you so much, I.Nagy, for the accurate translation! Now I know for sure that this can be no older than Meiji 1. And also, thank you for your time in attempting to find information about the mentioned names. No matter the value, I will need to have this professionally framed, as I believe a home frame up will not be suitable. I think it will look ok floating. Thank you again, I truly appreciate it.

Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: Stan Thu, Oct 19, 2017

Here are a few Hokusai ehon pages for comparison.

Cheers,
Stan







Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: Endre Sat, Oct 21, 2017

Thanks for sharing these images Stan. Very nice! He is definitely in a class of his own. I understand he had many students, and I'm trying to get my eyes on as many as possible to try and find who may have made this one. I was thinking that it is a scene from the battle of Ueno, but it crossed my mind that I see no imperial soldiers. So, I'm just as confused as ever. I know Hokusai was deceased prior to that battle, so I ruled him out. I.Nagy try to look up the names and was unable to find info, so I don't know, maybe it is from a work of fiction. I do think that it may have been produced by someone in Tokyo, maybe one of his students. I look forward to hear yours, or anyone's thoughts. Thanks again for the reply

Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: Endre Sun, Oct 22, 2017

I now believe this may be a scene from Igagoe (Iga Ueno) revenge story. I think it may be referring to Rinzaemon and Rinzo Sakurai. The story was based on historical events that to place in 17th century feudal Japan. It has been adapted into plays since at least the late 18th century. Mikeoz cleverly pointed out the bald man. It happens to have been law at that time for men to shave the tops of their heads. A man without the bald spot would be an outlaw. I also have read that in kabuki, names places and even time period were changed in accordance to laws in later times. Sources for my theory are Kuniyoshiprojectcom and several museum sites. Still haven't found a perfect match or artist, as most on display are monochrome. It may be older than I thought, valuable maybe not, interesting yes. I believe I will seek a professional to view and evaluate. Thanks again everyone-

Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: Endre Tue, Oct 24, 2017

Correction.. most on display are not monochrome

Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: John R Sun, Oct 22, 2017

Here is an idea for framing. I like this style
for emphasizing the paper of the art work. Be
sure to get the best museum glass and keep it
out of direct sunlight. Make sure all your
materials are acid free.





Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: Endre Tue, Oct 24, 2017

Many thanks John! I do think I can frame this myself now. I really appreciate the example you have provided. This will save me upwards of a hundred dollars by leaving out a framing shop.

Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: John R Wed, Oct 25, 2017

No problem Endre,
Use archival tape to mount the print, and make sure that the spacer is thicker than the mount
so the print doesn't touch the glass. Good luck.


Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: Endre Thu, Oct 26, 2017

I really cannot express my gratitude or say thank you enough. It was very thoughtful and kind of you taking the time to walk myself and others through this, and the example you have presented is absolutely wonderful.

Subject:Re: Framing tips for ehon washi?
Posted By: John R Sat, Nov 04, 2017

Endre,
I thought I had better add some details to my post
Budget for framing
About $200 USA dollars
I'm assuming your print as about 10 inches tall and 14 inches wide
The relative seal size helped in this determination
Convert to cm as needed
16 x 20 frame $40.00
local frame shop or Hobby Lobby
16 x 20 museum glass $75.00
https://www.etsy.com/listing/237508379/tru-vue-museum-glass-for-picture-frames?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_a-craft_supplies_and_tools-patterns_and_how_to-kits&utm_custom1=8b7e9f9d-5ee5-49c5-ad64-e718079e8c43&gclid=Cj0KCQjwp_DPBRCZARIsAGOZYBSQw66zP10RUbBFvcw20Se8_QRkqKanpy-kzxbi41thSO6mD4dZksMaAiKQEALw_wcB
Acid free mattes cut to size
Local frame shop or Hobby Lobbby $60.00
Archival acid free tape
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003XEYLZK/ref=asc_df_B003XEYLZK5248071/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=395033&creativeASIN=B003XEYLZK&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198061764911&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13590435915639807371&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019109&hvtargid=pla-323353764652
Measure your artwork and ask for a an acid free board to be cut 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch smaller.
Loop the the archival tape into 5 2 inche sections and attached to the four corners and middle of that support board. Center the board on the backing.
Add supports for a wire to run the width of the frame
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019QX7CY8/ref=asc_df_B019QX7CY85248071/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=395033&creativeASIN=B019QX7CY8&linkCode=df0&hvadid=193166724913&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7002862390925911878&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019109&hvtargid=pla-362684347567
I hope this helps. I've been framing my own art for the past 35 years and have some knowledge
of it's problems and solutions.


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