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Subject:chinese vase age help please
Posted By: yurike Sun, Oct 08, 2017 IP: 96.244.195.188 Good evening.. |
Subject:Re: chinese vase age help please
Posted By: yurike Mon, Oct 09, 2017 More pics of cartouches with writing and depictions on the vase. |
Subject:Re: chinese vase age help please
Posted By: Bokaba Mon, Oct 09, 2017 I would say maybe late Republic at the earliest. This is definitely 20th Century due to the "snow" white glaze that only existed in the 20th Century (and briefly during the Yongzheng period). This looks like a 20th Century copy of a famille rose covered urn (usually part of a garniture set of 5) of the late 19th Century. The base is too clean and has no firing errors, which would be uncommon for late Qing. In my opinion, this vase is likely mid-20th Century. |
Subject:Re: chinese vase age help please
Posted By: mikeoz Tue, Oct 10, 2017 Why has Bokaba not commented on the poetic inscriptions? They are not Chinese characters, just made-up squiggles that look like they could be characters. |
Subject:Re: chinese vase age help please
Posted By: Bokaba Thu, Oct 12, 2017 I missed the characters (I don't think the enlargements were posted until after I commented). My first thought is that the cartouches were added later, but they would have to be re-fired, which would have ruined the overglaze figures and gold decoration. So, in light of the characters, I think this piece is probably a new fake or possibly a piece of chinoiserie--porcelain made in the Chinese style in Europe. |
Subject:Re: chinese vase age help please
Posted By: JLim Thu, Oct 12, 2017
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Subject:Re: chinese vase age help please
Posted By: Bill H Fri, Oct 13, 2017 Don't forget the usual suspects in France (Samson, Chantilly, Bayeux) and England (mainly Worcester for polychrome I think). Here's a broken-strap handled cup I've had for about 15 years and tend to think is 19th century, because the decoration mimics Chinese export patterns of that time. However, I'm still on the fence as to who made it. My leaning is a bit toward Samson, because the porcelain has a Limoges whiteness, and the cup appears from its slightly irregular shape possibly to have been custom-made, something Samson was known for. In any event, this European form of cup was not produced in China as far as I know. |
Subject:Re: chinese vase age help please
Posted By: yurike Fri, Oct 13, 2017 Thank you for your replies. I bought this after seeing the handling of the glazes and artistic quality. It does not have the typical heavy thick muddy glazes that the later fakes or attempts have, making me think it may be an earlier Republic era vase. So maybe not such a good buy, not old, but very nice looking, skillfully done, and confusing to figure out. |
Subject:Re: chinese vase age help please
Posted By: JLim Sun, Oct 22, 2017
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