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Subject:Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: Frank Smith Mon, Mar 20, 2017 IP: 2001:14ba:27f9:7000: Hey everyone, |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: Bill H Wed, Mar 22, 2017 This apparently is an embroidered copy of an early Qing painting. The inscription has two parts, the first a title that reads 神僊骨格,(Shen Xian Gu Ge), possibly translatable as "The Constitution of a Benevolent Spirit", literally the "Inner Framework of a Deity" (though Ge has a classical meaning which might lend a sense of "Coming and Going like a Benevolent Spirit"). |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: Frank Smith Wed, Mar 22, 2017 Thank you so much Bill! |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: rat Wed, Mar 22, 2017 Nice, though the Qing painter's name is Hua Yan, not Hua Nie. Despite the selection of pictures at the webpage at the bottom of this post (the picture of the man and camel is particularly entertaining), Hua is best known for his paintings of birds (eg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/43/6f/ba/436fbaec909115595a07870e7ec4237d.jpg), so this embroidery is an homage, though not particularly indicative of his painting style. |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Mar 23, 2017 Rat, thanks for catching that. Neither the Nie nor the Yan characters are in my Mathews dictionary. I saw references to Yan online but also kept coming up with Nie in the Google responses for reasons unknown and didn't catch the difference in the characters (喦 & 嵒), as Nie is distinguishable only by a higher "peak" in the mountain radical. I've increased the text size on my monitor and hope to do better next time. |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: rat Fri, Mar 24, 2017 I've never seen the "nie" character used before actually, just "yan". I learned of the painter by his romanized name before ever encountering the characters for it so the subtlety of the distinction between the two characters would have been lost on me. I don't see a reference for the painting by this title by Hua, so perhaps it no longer exists |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: Frank Smith Thu, Mar 23, 2017 Awesome, thank you Rat! And since this is then definitely a copy and not original, it is better for me to just save it as a wall decoration rather than sell it for a few hundred because of the lack of the money. |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: Bill H Fri, Mar 24, 2017 Lots of Chinese paintings get copied, but embroidery is a whole different art form, with its own large coterie of collectors and admirers. In my opinion, they probably will care less about yours being a copy of a classic painting and more about its own stand-alone quality of artistic presentation and workmanship. Here the needle has become a steel brush. |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: Frank Smith Fri, Mar 24, 2017 Bill and Rat, |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: rat Fri, Mar 24, 2017 I agree with Bill H., this stands on its merits as an embroidery, and also has some value for referring to a painting by a well-known artist that may no longer exist (no photos of anything like this come up with a search on the title and the painter's name). Sell it if you don't want to keep it but it's not diminished by being a copy in another medium. |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: Frank Smith Sun, Mar 26, 2017 Hey Rat, |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: Stan Sun, Mar 26, 2017 Here is something to try: |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: rat Sun, Mar 26, 2017 You can always list it on ebay with the provenance you've provided and the information you have learned here. (Everybody else does this already...) The listings there get picked over fairly thoroughly these days and people will bid up quality items that aren't listed at above market prices (a common practice that results in things going unsold). See what other sorts of things in this vein are already posted for sale there to get a sense. Shipping from Finland may be expensive, but you have a legitimate antique, and there are certainly collectors of Chinese textile art out there. Take some better pictures and describe any damage accurately and you'll be in good shape. |
Subject:Re: Over 100 yrs old Chinese silk weave picture
Posted By: Frank Smith Tue, Mar 28, 2017 Thanks Stan and Rat. |
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