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Subject:Japanese ? drilled signature
Posted By: scotty Sun, Mar 19, 2017 IP: 86.156.13.223 hi, |
Subject:Re: Japanese ? drilled signature
Posted By: rat Wed, Mar 22, 2017 Yes, Japanese, which I don't know much of anything about, but the two characters in the right column read Seto, so this is by a Seto porcelain maker. |
Subject:Re: Japanese/Chinese ? drilled signature
Posted By: scotty Thu, Mar 23, 2017 Thanks but i am now completely confused as i have also now told by an appraiser it is Chinese probably Qianlong . Apparently the mark Zhi is visible meaning "make" and it is not written this way in Japanese. |
Subject:Re: Japanese/Chinese ? drilled signature
Posted By: Martin Michels Fri, Mar 24, 2017 Hi, |
Subject:Re: Japanese/Chinese ? drilled signature
Posted By: scotty Mon, Mar 27, 2017 Thank you Rat and Martin, your responses are very welcome. partic the pics you sent of the Masukichi signature. It looks right but i don't see any Seto vases remotely of this type anywhere. .I hope you don't mind but i put your responses to the appraiser again who took it on board but is still adamant that it's Chinese painting style not Japanese "neat graphic " and that the studio you refer to did pieces almost entirely in the Japanese traditional style and not this which to them is Chinese style . ... Neither of you spoke on the painting style.. do you have any views on the painting type to suggest . They also suggested it could be a sleeper whatever that means ? |
Subject:Re: Japanese/Chinese ? drilled signature
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Mar 28, 2017 Scotty, you should start learning where to find and looking carefully at all the right sources of information, as well as checking names thoroughly via Google. Here's an assortment of links to vases by your man Masukichi, including in celadon glaze: |
Subject:Re: Japanese/Chinese ? drilled signature
Posted By: scotty Tue, Mar 28, 2017 Thank you Bill, i will follow your links and look into it some more, i see some of the Seto links, i am just trying to come to terms with what this appraiser of markings has been saying which is totally at odds if you read his original pronouncement. I am very convinced by what Martin showed me but the markings leave something to be desired for absolute comparison. I don't have a lot of time to spend googling and enter the field of study and that's why i asked the forums. i will try to do better i promise. Meantime if an appraiser tells me one thing and the forum contributors another i got to wade through it. i have 4 different people saying different things and with respect i don't trust every forum members contribution unless they can give something to it as i have seen some nonsense spouted before. I value your contribution as you have given me some links to follow through and thanks for that. I believe my appraiser has led me up a garden path perhaps with good intentions. Me i need a quick ID preferably such as Martin gave. I do have other things needing my attention not including 3 young children so not much study time for computers or books on vases just need a good pointer from a forum member. Big problem when you are given contradictory advice though , then you ask each person why? It's what a forum is about ..people talking.. not telling them to just go look into it mate ! An Asian Art forum i thought would be full of some expertise to suck up. I am still astounded by the pomposity of some dealers who are just never wrong always right, not you Bill, you have contributed something positive and thanks. What use is " it's an X Y Z son and that's what it is ..ok? " Can't trust that unless the forum member is not anonymous and has qualifications or experience of a study field but you don't get that here ..all you get is a nickname and then you get to pronounce on stuff. So pinch of salt unless like contributor Martin you give something positive. Been a member of many forums including classic cars, art glass etc and one thing common is all members form friendships too and sometimes back up each others views so again there is a degree of is what you are being told correct ?. Got to question , and keep asking until you are fairly certain . Need my tea and a lie down after that diatribe ...prob be an expert on that too somewhere to tell me best variety and position to repose in ! :) :) |
Subject:Re: Japanese/Chinese ? drilled signature
Posted By: scotty Tue, Mar 28, 2017 PS Bill, |
Subject:Re: Japanese/Chinese ? drilled signature
Posted By: scotty Wed, Mar 29, 2017 Hi Bill, |
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Posted By: Bill H Thu, Mar 30, 2017 You may also have noticed how there is more than one generation of potter who has worked under this name. |
Subject:Re: Japanese/Chinese ? drilled signature
Posted By: scotty Fri, Mar 31, 2017 Thanks Bill, |
Subject:Re: Japanese/Chinese ? drilled signature
Posted By: scotty Tue, Mar 28, 2017 Hi Martin, |
Subject:Re: Japanese/Chinese ? drilled signature
Posted By: scotty Tue, Mar 28, 2017 here is the other signatures, why are they different and the styles in this type are similar too? |
Subject:Re: Japanese/Chinese ? drilled signature
Posted By: Martin Michels Wed, Mar 29, 2017 Scotty, |
Subject:Re: Japanese/Chinese ? drilled signature
Posted By: scotty Thu, Mar 30, 2017 Thanks Martin, you have cracked it expertly for me and i found the notes by Christopher Dresser in his book on architecture included references. |
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