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Subject:Chinese porcelain erotic vase signature and text identification
Posted By: Ray Sat, Mar 18, 2017 IP: 2602:0304:cf5f:5970: These are two vases with some erotic scenes. They are about 7 inches tall and made of fine porcelain. Could some one please identify the maker and also provide the translation of the text? Also any idea how old this vases might be? |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain erotic vase signature and text identification
Posted By: Bill H Mon, Mar 20, 2017 Pardon the editorial nature of this response, but if this naïvely painted form of porn could actually be sold on the streets of China, I believe the Mainland wouldn't see its population problem disappear in short order; everybody would be disgusted to the point of disinterest. No serious artist wants to sign their names to these things, something for which they can't be blamed, considering the dearth of artistic talent reflected in their product, not to mention their lack of serious anatomical studies. |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain erotic vase signature and text identification
Posted By: Ray Mon, Mar 20, 2017 Hi Bill, |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain erotic vase signature and text identification
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Mar 21, 2017 Definitely Chinese and made for anyone who cares to purchase them. Probably made for sale on eBay, smaller auction houses and import stores, among other places. The base has an apocryphal Qianlong mark, but the figural brushwork is naïve and lacking in the traditional esthetic for figural painting on porcelain, such as the baby doll eyes. Compare the concept of female faces and hair with a detail from a circa 1851-61 Canton famille rose plate below. |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain erotic vase signature and text identification
Posted By: Bill H Mon, Mar 20, 2017 I see I've committed a syntax error in sentence 2 of my editorial. Should have said "would see..." of course. But while I'm at it, here's a comparison in artistic merit between your Chinese vase and a Japanese porcelain of this genre. The cup is only about two inches in diameter. Even close-up, the good rendering of the traditional Japanese figural painting style is undiminished. |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain erotic vase signature and text identification
Posted By: Paul Tue, Mar 21, 2017 Bill, I don't understand why you're going on and on about the "artistic merit" of these pieces when that has nothing to do with the OP's questions. Nobody is claiming that these vases are major works of art. |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain erotic vase signature and text identification
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Mar 23, 2017 Well Paul, appreciating something you buy is the cardinal rule of collecting, so Ray's and your admissions of finding a certain appeal in the tea set is enough to shut me up as a would-be father figure and to profess to having made a few unconventional choices myself during a long career in Asia, none of which seemed to be all that kinky past the first time. ;) |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain erotic vase signature and text identification
Posted By: Paul Thu, Mar 23, 2017 B.H. - I'll add a wink-wink to that. Thirteen years working in the land of smiles (80s-90s). I haven't seen it all, but I've seen a lot of it. |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain erotic vase signature and text identification
Posted By: Ray Tue, Mar 21, 2017 Here is the rest of the set. I don't think the Chinese set is that bad. But the Japanese paintings are nice too. |
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