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Subject:Chenhua marked doucai bowl sold for $2M at Doyle/eBay
Posted By: Corey Thu, Mar 16, 2017 IP: 193.169.154.224

Wonder if this was Chenghua period rather than Qing dynasty. 2 milion dollar seems rather excentric.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chinese-Doucai-Glazed-Porcelain-Cup-Lot-160-/201832032204?hash=item2efe2067cc%3Ag%3Aeh0AAOSwax5YtjYO&nma=true&si=5dRUxrXgwzynhMFoXVxjeRzVHg8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Also notable in that sale was a celadon glazed archaistic vase with a Qianlong mark, dated to the Qing dynasty, suggesting it's a mark and period piece, but was left unsold.

http://doyle.com/auctions/17as01-asian-works-art/catalogue/178-chinese-celadon-glazed-porcelain-vase

If it was a mark and period piece, it would have rather high value. a similar one in the same bluish toned celadon color was available at Poly auctions, estimated at 5.5 - 8.5 million chinese yuan (around 1 million dollar).

http://en.polypm.com.cn/pic/201411/f913.html

Strange!









Link :Asian works of art at DOYLE


Subject:Re: Chenhua marked doucai bowl sold for $2M at Doyle/eBay
Posted By: arge Fri, Mar 17, 2017

I doubt it is a real sale.
i see 61 bids, but when I am checking bidding history, I can see a user, with a score of 8. no problem, I doubt again that someone with a score of 14000 will watch the ebay and pay 2mil for a cup. but this particular buyer, has another kind of interests. mostly jewelry...

Jewelry & Watches > Fine 6 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 9 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 7 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 4 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 18 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 4 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 13 Seller 1 <1h
Coins & Paper Money > Dollars 5 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 5 Seller 1 <1h
Art > Prints 4 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 15 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 14 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 8 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 13 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 12 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 13 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 14 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 10 Seller 2 <1h
Clothing, Shoes & Accessories > Vintage Accessories 4 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 9 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 4 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 13 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 6 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 12 Seller 2 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 13 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 12 Seller 2 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 6 Seller 1 <1h
Coins & Paper Money > Other US Paper Money 5 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 18 Seller 1 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Fine 14 Seller 1 <1h

Subject:Re: Chenhua marked doucai bowl sold for $2M at Doyle/eBay
Posted By: Corey Sun, Mar 19, 2017

I think it was sold. It was first marked as unsold on their website, but later changed to sold for 2 million. Probably after they have had a validation of the bid and the transaction. They also mention it on their summery on the sale/press release in the link I posted:

"Highlighting the sale was a Chinese Doucai glazed porcelain cup that achieved an exceptional $2 million following competitive bidding that drove the price far beyond its $50,000-70,000 estimate. Measuring only 1 1/2 inches in height, the diminutive 18th century cup was decorated in a design of leafy fruiting peach branches and bore the Chenghua six-character mark within a square in underglaze blue. Doucai or ‘colors that fit together’ combine over glaze enamels within under glazed blue outlines. This type of workmanship required absolute perfection or the piece was destroyed. The technique began in the Ming Dynasty and was most popular during the Chenghua period, and was revived again during the 18th century."

I belive the "someone with a score 14000", bidder o***a, is a nonexistent person. It's just the given eBay ID for the auction house itself that they use to update the eBay bidding with the in house bidding, if you know what I mean (o***a is appearing in all the listings I checked and also jewelry and watches was an auction held by them after the asian art sale).

Hope this makes some sense.


Subject:Re: Chenhua marked doucai bowl sold for $2M at Doyle/eBay
Posted By: Corey Wed, Mar 29, 2017

There was by the way a sale recently of a Yongzheng marked archaistic vase unindentified as period piece, even though nearly identical examples are represented in both Taipei and Beijing palace museums:

https://www.antiquestradegazette.com/news/2015/yongzheng-vase-posts-114500-record-for-carmarthen-auction-house/

And later at Christie's in the imperial sale:

http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/yongzheng-six-character-seal-mark-6002163-details.aspx

I've been wondering if the very similar archaistic vase sold at Freeman's in 2012 actually was an unidentified period piece too:

http://auctions.freemansauction.com/auction-lot-detail/Chinese-carved-light-celadon-glazed-porcelain-hu-vase%2C-qianl/1436+++++682+/++819827

It seems nearly identical to the one sold at Christie's in 2008:

http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-fine-celadon-glazed-pear-shaped-archaistic-dragon-vase-5087039-details.aspx?from=salesummery&intobjectid=5087039&sid=9798517b-a231-4dc2-a6e0-2fe4051d1a0a

Picture with zoom-in function available here:

http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/a-very-rare-imperial-champleve-and-gilt-bronze-5689752-details.aspx






Subject:Re: Chenhua marked doucai bowl sold for $2M at Doyle/eBay
Posted By: Corey Thu, Mar 30, 2017

Another really interesting archaistic vase in the imperial sale at Christie's, may 2008, was lot 1591:

http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-fine-and-rare-eel-skin-glazed-vase-5087040-details.aspx?from=salesummery&intobjectid=5087040&sid=1259471b-3e71-49da-812b-d7d546c62dbe

The lot essay refers to a similar shaped vase with ru-type glaze in The National Museum oF Tokyo. Perhaps the counterpart of a possibly unidentified mark and period piece available at Altair, november 2015:

https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/42179673_chinese-celadon-vase



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