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Subject:Is this a Tongzhi dish?
Posted By: Giuseppe Sat, Mar 04, 2017 IP: 85.228.90.249

Can someone help me to identify this dish?
Thanks





Subject:Re: Is this a Tongzhi dish?
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Mar 09, 2017

It seems to be Tongzhi under magnification and enhancement of the mark using Photoshop, and on the presumption that the cyclical date that seems to emerge from the inscription actually reads "jia xu" (甲戌 - 1874).

FYI, Tony Allen's latest book, "Allen's Antique Chinese Porcelain -- The Detection of Fakes", offers a general rule of thumb, stating that fake Tongzhi reign marks didn't appear until around 1980. As he notes and most of us come to learn sooner or later, for every rule concerning Chinese porcelain, there appears to be an exception.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Is this a Tongzhi dish?
Posted By: Giuseppe Tue, Mar 14, 2017

Thanks Bill.
So this is an old fake?
Best regards
Giuseppe

Subject:Re: Is this a Tongzhi dish?
Posted By: Bill H Wed, Mar 15, 2017

The last year of the Tongzhi reign was 1874, so if my reading of the cyclical date and base-mark are both correct, then the piece may be of the period. However, your photos aren't very-well focused, which increases the margin of possible error in my readings and prevents accurate assessment of potential clues to actual age of the dish itself. So , as I tried to indicate, my opinion on the dish was conditional as to whether or not I was actually reading the unfocused images correctly. Also, there's always the possibility of something like this being fake until it has been subjected to a hands-on examination by a qualified appraiser.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Is this a Tongzhi dish?
Posted By: Giuseppe Thu, Mar 16, 2017

Thanks Bill.
I always learn a lot from you.
Best regards
Giuseppe


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