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Subject:Unkown Bird
Posted By: Moon Fri, Nov 13, 2020 IP: 2001:980:57ae:1:d49b

Dear participants,

Recently I bought this bird from a collector. He collected a lot of Chinese art. I wondered if anyone knows if this is a Chinese bird and from which periode. I thought maybe it is a brush holder? The pottery on the back looks quite old.
Hope someone knows.

Regards Moon

Subject:Re: Unkown Bird
Posted By: Antigone Thu, Nov 19, 2020


It looks like a peace dove but there are not doves in china.
If it can help you.

Subject:Re: Unkown Bird
Posted By: Moon Fri, Nov 20, 2020

Thank you, indeed it looks like a pigeon. How funny that there are no pigeons in China. Maybe the bird is arabic, the one I bought it from, collected arabic and chinese. Thank you!

Subject:Re: Unkown Bird
Posted By: antigone Sat, Nov 21, 2020

Dear Moon,

There is no dove in China and I thought this one could represent a peace dove with olive branch,
Please let's find the explanation of a dove with olive branch :

Dove with olive branch - Meaning and symbolism

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a dove with an olive branch is a universal symbol of peace, grace and mercy.

This symbol also unifies two symbolically strong motifs, those of a dove and olive trees.

In order to better understand the meaning of this beautiful symbol, let's discover the meaning of the two constituents.

The dove with an olive branch is a very ancient symbol, widespread around the world, and its meanings are generally very similar in nature wherever it has been used.

Symbolism of the dove

Doves have always been seen as symbols of something good and graceful, often associated with femininity and motherhood. Doves and pigeons share similar symbolism and these two terms are often confused.

They are not the same birds, as many believe, but they are indeed very similar.

The symbolic meanings of doves and pigeons are related to peace, tranquility and grace.

Since the ancient religions of Sumer and the Phoenicians, these have been associated with the principles of femininity and motherhood. Ishtar, one of the most revered Sumerian goddesses, was often depicted as holding a pigeon.

Phoenician goddess Astarte, the deity of fertility and love was also associated with this bird.

The ancient Egyptians held them 3000 BC and in their culture pigeons were considered the symbol of innocence.

In Greco-Roman mythology, pigeons and doves represent love and renewal and are also associated with femininity and fertility. The Greek Aphrodite and Roman Venus were both depicted with pigeons.

The dove had a particularly important symbolic meaning in ancient Greece.

It symbolized harmony and tranquility. He was also associated with the number eight and was one of the positive symbols of the prophetic interpretations of the Dodona Forest .

In Hindu mythology, pigeons were considered messengers from the underworld. The dove is a sacred bird in the Hindu tradition ; they believe that an act of killing a dove brings bad luck.

For ages, pigeons and doves have symbolized loyalty and longevity in Chinese tradition. There is an interesting belief from China, related to pigeons.

The Chinese believe that a hawk turns into a pigeon on the occasion of the change of season in April, equine spring day. It also happens the other way around.

The transformation also represents the transformation between yin and yang. The pigeon symbolically represents spring and is therefore associated with positivity and life.

In Christianity, pigeon and dove have many meanings, all of them positive. In the Old Testament they symbolize peace, goodwill and forgiveness, while in the New Testament they represent the Holy Spirit, love and mercy of God.

The story of the Great Flood and Noah's Ark is one of the earliest stories about a dove as a messenger.

This story is about the dove with an olive branch, so we'll mention it later.

Symbolism of the olive tree

The olive tree is one of the symbolically charged plants, so to speak. There are many legendary beliefs and stories about olive trees.

A particular ancient Greek legend tells of a competition between Athens and Poseidon.

The two competed for supremacy over the main city of the Greek people, the city of Athens.

While Poseidon smashed his trident on the rocks of the Acropolis and produced a source of salt, Athens made an olive tree, full of fruit that people could use.

People choose her gift and thus Athens has become the patron goddess of the city.

This is why olive trees play an important role in Greek folklore. The tree has become a symbol of immortality, divine intervention, fertility, abundance, health and longevity.

An olive branch, especially if carried by a dove, was taken for a symbol of peace and the golden age.

Olive trees are very hardy and endurable, so they also represent strength and persistence.

The heroes of the ancient Olympic Games were crowned with a wreath of olive branches and were rewarded with vases filled with olive oil.

The Chinese believe that the olive tree has incredible properties and can neutralize toxins.

The Japanese regard it as a symbol of kindness and success in learning and the path of the warrior.

The olive tree has great significance in Christianity; it is mentioned in the Bible over a thousand times. Moses, for example, freed men who cultivated olives.

The olive branch has a particularly important meaning in the Christian tradition. Archangel Gabriel is often described as holding an olive branch.

Dove with olive branch symbolism

The dove with an olive branch is one of the best-known biblical symbols, but also one of the universal symbols of peace, hope and purity.

We have already mentioned the story of Noah's ark.

This story is one of the earliest depictions of a dove as a messenger who brings good news.

This is the reason why the dove also symbolizes hope. According to the Bible, after the Great Flood, Noah sent a dove to check if it was over.

He did this several times, until the dove finally returned, carrying a tiny olive branch in its beak.

It was a sign that he had found land and that the disaster was over. It is one of the strongest symbols of hope and calm, of peace and of faith.

A dove with an olive branch has become a universal symbol, widely present and appreciated.

Dreaming about a dove with an olive branch

The symbolism of this pattern is clear, but if you dream about it it takes on a more personal meaning.

This pure symbol of peace could be the message from a guardian angel trying to connect with you through dreams.

This sign in dreams could be interpreted differently, depending on the circumstances of a dream.

If the dream was all positive and you saw it, it is a hopeful dream.

This means that you shouldn't be put off by issues in your life that you might worry about. You should have hope and have faith, for your problems would be over for good.

This pattern in a dream also suggests that you should have patience, because patience is wisdom.

Don't rush ; do not try to force things that cannot be forcefully changed.

A dove with an olive branch occurring in your dream suggests that sometimes you just have to wait for a storm to end.

It doesn't mean that you have to surrender, but that there are forces and situations that you cannot fight.

Sometimes problems arise, but you cannot control them.

Don't worry, suggests the dove, because the light will shine in your path again.

Use of the symbol

The symbol of a dove with an olive branch universally symbolizes hope and peace and embodies all the symbolism of the dove and the olive tree together, so that people use it for various purposes.

It can be found on the logos of organizations that are also dedicated to helping people, spiritual or religious organizations.

It could be found as a motif in art, jewelry, or other decorative and creative work.

In each of them, it represents the same thing.

For example, a pendant depicting a gentle dove carrying an olive branch could be a symbol of faith in divine mercy and hope, so one could wear it to feel closer to divine powers.

It's not that the pendant itself creates a connection, but it's a channel for a person to make one on an entirely different level.

As a motif in art, a dove with an olive branch most often represents the biblical motif in the story of Noah's ark. This is a common motif in Christian art.

A dove itself also represents the Holy Spirit who descended on Christ at his baptism.

Dove also represents the human soul ; it was a common motif in ancient Christian works.

You can find pigeon in China, please let's find the list of bird in China,

Yes, this one could be more arabic or perhaps french or spanish, Pablo Picasso drew the Dove of Peace in 1949, the year his daughter was born, Paloma Picasso, Paloma meaning "dove" in Spanish. Paloma will have a daughter who she will call Paz, meaning Peace in Spanish.


Subject:Re: Unkown Bird
Posted By: Bill H Fri, Nov 20, 2020

I would say this probably is a parrot eating a peach, one of its favorite fruits. Looks like a couple of characters on the back, but unsure where they were written.

Best regards,

Bill H

Subject:Re: Unkown Bird
Posted By: antigone Sat, Nov 21, 2020

Dear Bill,

Sorry I did not read your idea before posting this morning, yes it could be a parrot,
I was searching ceramic dove or parrot, very often dove or pigeon will be flying with leaves in the beak, but I saw some with flowers,
I found a parrot with cherries,
For me not sure chinese,

Subject:Re: Unkown Bird
Posted By: antigone Sat, Nov 21, 2020

Dear Moon, Dear Bill,

I found a kangxi chinese decorated plate with parrots, one in quite same way of drawing, it seems to eat cherries, I saw that some parrots are white,
So it could be a parrot,

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Subject:Re: Unkown Bird
Posted By: Moon Tue, Nov 24, 2020


Thank you very much for the suggestions.
Maybe Japanese indeed. The bird (I think a parrot indeed) looks very old.
In any case, have a very nice day and thank you for the help.

Subject:Re: Unkown Bird
Posted By: Bill H Sat, Nov 21, 2020

I'm wondering if it might be a cursive form of the Japanese Banko mark, or of a kiln that makes Banko ware, such as Seishu. Maybe I.Nagy could comment if following this thread.

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Unkown Bird
Posted By: Moon Tue, Nov 24, 2020


Thank you very much for the suggestions.
Maybe Japanese indeed. The bird (I think a parrot indeed) looks very old.
In any case, have a very nice day and thank you for the help. | Associations | Articles | Exhibitions | Galleries |