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Subject:Signature Identification on Chinese painting
Posted By: 88Teo88 Thu, Oct 08, 2020 IP: 91.146.183.85

Dear Experts
I found this painting, but I don't know the name of the artist, could you help me?
Thank you so much







Subject:Re: Signature Identification on Chinese painting
Posted By: John Rohrer Thu, Oct 08, 2020

Very nice painting

Subject:Re: Signature Identification on Chinese painting
Posted By: mikeoz Fri, Oct 09, 2020

Not Chinese. From the clothing and the mirror box I suggest this painting is Korean.

Subject:Re: Signature Identification on Chinese painting
Posted By: 88Teo88 Sat, Oct 10, 2020

Thank you John:)

Thank you MikeOz:)
but the characters are Chinese, aren't they?

Subject:Re: Signature Identification on Chinese painting
Posted By: I.Nagy Sat, Oct 10, 2020

Readings,
戊辰初夏 - In Beginning of the Year of Earth-Dragon (1928)
於道峰山房 - at the Dobongsan-ban ( Mt. Dobong Study)
戈園堂 - Gwa Won-dong - (Lance Garden House) Studio name
Upper seal,
廷囗熙 - Yeon 囗-hui - Surname and given name
(Unfortnately, I can't decipher the second character)
Lower seal,
戈園 - Gwa Won

With regards,
I.Nagy

Subject:Re: Signature Identification on Chinese painting
Posted By: 88Teo88 Sat, Oct 10, 2020

Thank you so much for your kindness I. Nagy:)
It is really helpful

I created a photo, that one is the second character? right?

(I have to ask if you are Hungarian? because the "Nagy" name is a typical Hungarian surname:))



Subject:Re: Signature Identification on Chinese painting
Posted By: I,Nagy Sun, Oct 11, 2020

Just to make it clear, I show you the configuration of seal,
口廷
煕印

First row of characters read from right to left,
1st character 廷 Yeon - Surname
2nd character 口 the one I can't read
3rd character (from left to right) 煕 - hui
4th character 印 in = Seal

Seal of Yeon 口-hui

Now I put this question on hold for a while, If I come up with something, I'll let you know.

(As of your question, yes, I am Hungarian and have been living in Japan about 50 years).

With regards,
I.Nagy

Subject:Re: Signature Identification on Chinese painting
Posted By: 88Teo88 Mon, Oct 12, 2020

Thank you so much:)
now I understand it, I think I will print the Chinese characters, and try to read it too

I'm also Hungarian, I really like Asian culture.
Can i ask what it's like to live there?

Kind Regards: Teo

Subject:Re: Signature Identification on Chinese painting
Posted By: I.Nagy Sat, Oct 17, 2020

Dear Teo,
As a result of a longer search, I came to the result that the ominous missing character should be:
抛 - Po
However, instead of the 扌 radical, the 石 radical is used. (This variation doesn't exist in the matrix of my PC) It is one of the alternative seldom used forms of the said character.
抛熙 - Po-hui (Give up the pleasure) - Pseudonym

I.e. 廷抛熙印 - Seal of Yeon Po-hui - Surname and pseudonym

With regards,
I.Nagy

Subject:Re: Signature Identification on Chinese painting
Posted By: I.Nagy Mon, Oct 19, 2020

Kedves Teo !
Elfeledtem benyomni az e-mail értesités gombot.

Üdvözlettel,
I.Nagy

Subject:Re: Signature Identification on Chinese painting
Posted By: 88Teo88 Mon, Oct 19, 2020

Köszönöm szépen a segítséget:)

Próbáltam én is kitalálni hogy ki lehet, végignéztem a top 3000 kínai karaktert, és erre jutottam:

延 - Yan (yeon)
廷 - Ting (jeong)

逝 遜 逆 巡 毯 逢 逾 遙 适 遶 邈
迄 逛 逮 遲 邏
迂 迦 迹 逖 逗 遏

國 - Guó (gug)
或 huó (hog)
海 hai (hae)
布 bu (po)
成 cheng (seong)
城 cheng (seong)
執 zhi (jib)
諸 Zhu (je)
感 Gam (gan)
源 Yuan (won)
廠 Chang (chang)
武 Wu (mu)
夜 Ye (ya)
碑 Bei (bi)

括 摸 播 誠 硬 喵 豬
彼 拓 諮 卑 宿 勃 啦
肋 抱 插 胡 亨 估 祝
紡 喊 祜 咬 堵 碰 喀
睹 矩 砍 碳 磚 祈 祀
肢 脖 茹 佑 俯 咸 喇
嗑 嗜 砧 苑 茄 裙 碑 昶

煕 - Xi (xi)
熙 - Xi (hui)
印 - Yin (in)
御 - Yú (eo)
卸 - Xie (sa)

a jelentése kínaiul van, a zárójelben koreaiul, ahol meg nincs, azokat még nem írtam le, de rajta vagyok:)
észrevettem hogy pl ez a két nagyon hasonló jel:


kínaiul mindkettő Xi, de koreaiul meg az egyik hui amit írtál a másik viszont xi, nem lehet hogy xi az a toldalék név?
illetve végignéztem a híresebb koreai festőket, és az 1920-30 as évek koreai festészete hasonlít legjobban talán erre, bár lehet tévedek
pl ez Kim Eunho:
https://media.mutualart.com/Images/2017_02/09/05/054815006/e39d1886-05ce-4354-845d-71ad8bbcb9d8.Jpeg
a kezei nagyon hasonlítanak
de látok némi hasonlóságot Kim Ki-chang-nál is:
https://www.christies.com/img/LotImages/2016/HGK/2016_HGK_12517_0413_000(kim_ki-chang_quiet_listening122426).jpg

de lehet csak túl kevés koreai festőt láttam, mindenesetre szerintem korban hasonló lehet


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