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Subject:Rare Ming or other?
Posted By: segundo Sat, Dec 21, 2019 IP: 2001:8a0:f0c5:d501:c

what is this? Can't seem to find similars, is being sold as Ming, not doubting the authenticity, just want to figure out what's the period.

only this photo sorry

Subject:Re: Rare Ming or other?
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Dec 22, 2019

By not providing enough pictures to show all available clues, you are denying anyone here a chance to provide an informed opinion. Personally, I doubt this is Ming or early Qing, because the brush strokes in the horse do not exhibit the flow or energy of those made by an artist who'd come up as an apprentice under a demanding Master, which was about the only way to get work as a serious artist in those days.

Also, during the Qing, Ming and earlier dynastic times in China, any porcelain painter worth his master's efforts to train him, would have begun his own career well-schooled in the Confucian ethic, meaning well indoctrinated in the virtues of doing anything worth doing in the old-fashioned way. In my opinion, this horse doesn't pass that test, not that further information in a 360-degree set of photos might not override this tunnel-vision opinion of mine.

Here's a 6.5 inch Transitional-to-Kangxi (mid-late 1600s) blue & white bowl with the kind of art I refer to. It has a mark on the base of "Beikou" (北口), which is the name "Northern Pass", given a section of the Great Wall North of Beijing.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Rare Ming or other?
Posted By: Oliver Sun, Dec 22, 2019

Hi I think this is Japanese not Chinese at all.Everything about it says fairly early Arita to me.

Subject:Re: Rare Ming or other?
Posted By: segundo Mon, Dec 23, 2019

Thank you both for your insight, and sorry about only one photo available, I know it's not much to get deeper into it.. I also thought it migh not be chinese, I'll have to keep digging.

Thank you again!

Subject:Re: Rare Ming or other?
Posted By: Larry Mon, Dec 23, 2019

Looks like a piece of "kitchen ming" to me, lots of that stuff is decorated in this "sketchy" style - I quite like it.

Subject:Re: Rare Ming or other?
Posted By: segundo Mon, Dec 23, 2019

after searching more, I found this one,
, was on ebay, link no longer available could only retrieve the photo, it was entitled "LARGE CHINESE YUAN-SONG Dynasty Celedon" but the name of the file says Ming, so this guy also doesn't know) could be celadon, I'll post more photos if I decide to buy it | Associations | Articles | Exhibitions | Galleries |