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Subject:Help with Famille rose vase
Posted By: Brett Thu, Sep 05, 2019 IP: 69.117.72.198

Am I correct the bottom mark is Daoguang? Can anyone tell me what the stamp on the side says? Actually any help or opinions on this case are welcome. Thanks







Subject:Re: Help with Famille rose vase
Posted By: Mark Adams Sat, Sep 07, 2019

A delightful looking vase you have.
IMO I would date your listing as late Republican, early people's republic. So late 1940's - 70.
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Subject:Re: Help with Famille rose vase
Posted By: Brett Sat, Sep 07, 2019

Hmmm...it looks older than that. I meant to add a picture showing the full bottom. It has a very solid antique feeling and the painting is exceptional. I was thinking 19th century so the mark is around when I was thinking.





Subject:Re: Help with Famille rose vase
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Sep 08, 2019

Go to the gotheborg.com link below and then use the number 602 in your PC "Find" window to access the same number item, which is another vase with markings like yours, also similarly dated to circa the mid-to-late 20th century. Not only do such pieces look older, they also tend to bring higher yields at auction.

https://www.gotheborg.com/marks/20thcenturychina.shtml

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Help with Famille rose vase
Posted By: Brett Mon, Sep 09, 2019

Hey Bill.Thanks for your opinion, I always appreciate it.

Is it possible that the mark you linked to is a copy of a traditional mark that was actually used during the Qianlong or Qing periods. I only ask because I have had a few people look at it in real life and they all suggest that it is old.

Over the last few years I have had some authentic Qianlong and Qing famille wears, both old and new, and this one kind of feels older than mid century. The mark on this one has a very faded and aged gold background on the mark. Also when I clicked on the "click here to show larger picture" on gotheborg it shows a lot more pictures and the look of the bottom, mark, and side marks are all very different. They have a new look.

I am never surprised when a piece of Chinese porcelain or pottery I buy is actually more recent than its mark suggests. It's a 90% or more occurrence for me, but I would be surprised by this one.

Subject:Re: Help with Famille rose vase
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Sep 10, 2019

One telling aspect of the decoration is the black border with "pendant jewels" under the mouth rim. This design in black didn't start appearing until the mid-Republic era, according to Tony Allen, though some Qianlong vases had more elaborate polychrome borders of this type. If the kind of gilt base-mark on your vase was used during the Qianlong period, then Professor Liu Liang-yu seems not to have shown an example in my copy of his fairly comprehensive survey of Qing Dynasty ceramics.

Best regards,

Bill H.


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