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Subject:Qing Dynastry Kin Lung King‘s era??
Posted By: laney Wed, Jul 17, 2019 IP: 2601:640:4100:37d0:e

Was this stamp really produced in Qing‘s Kin Lung Dynasty?
it has an import company‘s logo; this company specializes porcelain painting. i am afriad this is a fake one?

also there is a rim surround the plate and I was wondering what was the use of this rim?



Subject:Re: Qing Dynastry Kin Lung King‘s era??
Posted By: Mark Adams Wed, Jul 17, 2019

Sorry not from said period.
Japanese made and decorated in HK.
Late 20th Century.
Common ware with base metal rim.
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Subject:Re: Qing Dynastry Kin Lung King‘s era??
Posted By: rat Wed, Jul 17, 2019

No, this is a modern production and mark. People have been adding the Qianlong emperor's name to porcelain and other objects almost since his official reign ended in 1795. While the style of a particular Qianlong mark can sometimes indicate the object's date of manufacture, it's more reliable to focus on the form, decoration, and quality of the object itself than on the mark as an indicator of its date of creation.

Just fyi: Qing is the name of the dynasty, Qianlong is the reign name of a particular emperor during the Qing dynasty. (He had other names too but he's best known today as the Qianlong emperor. In older publications you may also see "the Ch'ien-lung emperor", but Qianlong is nearly universal today)

Subject:Re: Qing Dynastry Kin Lung King‘s era??
Posted By: Bill H Wed, Jul 17, 2019

The porcelain markings archive at gotheborg.com has a picture of Hong Kong-decorated Japanese porcelain with similar markings, which piece they date to the 1960s, while commenting that the red Qianlong mark must have been applied in Hong Kong because it has been offset to accommodate the Japanese label. It's worth noting too that the red Qianlong mark is put on by a stamp or other form of transfer, which methods of marking weren't used in the 18th century, stamps having started around the mid-19th and transfer-printing in the early 20th century.

Metal-clad rims have been used on Chinese wares of various kinds since the Han Dynasty, and such work has been an historic cottage industry in Bangkok, especially with respect Yixing teapots exported to Southeast Asian markets. I've been encountering Hong Kong-decorated Chinese and Japanese blanks with such rims since I lived in Hong Kong in the 1970s. Insofar as some of the modern Hong Kong factories had fled to the former colony in the 1920s-30s to escape wars on the Mainland, I've always presumed one or more of them brought the art of metal cladding with them.

Here's an example of a double condiment dish that I'm fairly confident was made in Hong Kong circa the early 3rd quarter of the 20th century. I've seen other such clad items with impressed "CHINA" marks in the metal which still had its unblemished varnish coating.

Best Regards,

Bill H.








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