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Subject:Can any help with rice bowls
Posted By: Jordan Thu, Nov 22, 2018 IP: 2001:569:7342:7200:9

They are 8” tall when stacked and 7 “ round. Each bowl is Is approximately 2 inches deep with a scene of birds and flowers on one side and calligraphy on the other was hoping somebody could translate if more pictures are needed please feel free to ask and I will take them

Subject:Re: Can any help with rice bowls
Posted By: Bill H. Sun, Nov 25, 2018

The right-to-left inscriptions in top photo all appear to terminate with "Done by Jiang Yongyuan (Jiang yong yuan zuo - 江永源作). Online information from a Chinese website places Jiang among other artists of the Qianjiang School of painters working during the Guangxu Reign (1875-1908).

The inscription (flipped 90-degrees right} on what looks to be its cover (missing its metal pull-ring) says "Bada Shanren '?'" (八大山人'?'). I'm unsure but speculate the last character may be "Fang" (仿 - "to imitate"), which would make the line read, "After Bada Shanren". Bada Shanren was the pseudonym of Zhu Da(朱耷), an acclaimed Han Chinese painter who was born into a Ming royal family around 1626 and died in 1705, during the Qing Dynasty Kangxi reign.

The remaining inscriptions, being somewhat out of focus, would take me a month to figure out, with no guarantee of success. So I'll defer those to someone with better eyesight.

One thought that comes to mind, is artist Jiang's association with Guangxu-period Qianjiang painters, while the palette seen here is somewhat more intense than I'm used to seeing from most of that era's Qianjiang artists. It also reminds me of Chinese painted porcelains that were made during the late Republic and early People's Republic by artists seeking to emulate the popular bird & flower paintings of Liu Yucen (劉雨岑 - 1904-1969), who studied with the Masters Pan Taoyu and Wang qi, and worked at Jingdezhen after 1922. Also, I found an auction listing for a painted hat stand that was dated cyclically to 1901, attributed to Jiang Yongyuan anonymously under a sobriquet of "Yuqing" (玉卿) and having a four-character red seal of "Made during the Guangxu Reign" on the base (see link below). While I don't know enough about Jiang's style to validate the hat stand, it is painted much more convincingly in a Guangxu-style bird & flower motif than your stacking dishes.

This suggests that your stacking dishes probably aren't earlier than circa 1930 and likely are by an artist other than Wang Yongyuan. However, perhaps some of our more studied critics will weigh in with a different evaluation.

Best regards,

Bill H.

URL Title :Jiang Yongyuan Attribution

Subject:Re: Can any help with rice bowls
Posted By: jordan Sat, Dec 01, 2018

here is a close up of the lid inscription. Thanks for your reply extremely confusing for me, but much appreciated.

Subject:Re: Can any help with rice bowls
Posted By: jordan Mon, Nov 26, 2018

please don't tell me no one is going to post a reply man about these rice bowls do I need better pictures are the not even worth translating? Any help would be greatly apperciated. thanks

Subject:Re: Can any help with rice bowls
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Dec 02, 2018

I apologize for causing you confusion and wish not to compound it with further comment. Perhaps you could use an online machine translation service to convert my response to your native language.

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Can any help with rice bowls
Posted By: jordan Mon, Dec 03, 2018

please compound it with further comment.. I would like to know if the lid inscription is that what u thought it to be. many thanks for all the time u spend on replying to so many different post, Bill. With out you the Asian art would not be the same. Your knowledge and experience in Asian art is a huge asset to this forum. To Bill, thank you. very much. | Associations | Articles | Exhibitions | Galleries |