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Subject:Signature on Plate
Posted By: Rob Mon, Jan 08, 2018 IP: 2601:983:8000:15b:0:

Good Afternoon,
I have a plate that I cannot identify. I do not know if it is Japanese or Chinese. It is done in what I would call a sgrafitto style. It looks to be Japanese, but I am not sure. The only markings on the plate is the attached stamp which is on the back of the plate. I hope somebody can identify the stamp or provide info to me. Thanks.

Subject:Re: Signature on Plate
Posted By: I.Nagy Tue, Jan 09, 2018

Your plate is Chinese.
Reading of bottom mark,
大明永樂  Daming Yongle - Ming Empire Yongle Era
(Yongle, title of reign 1403-1424 of Zhu Di,3rd Emperor of the Ming Dynasty)
FYI. it does not mean that your plate is 600 years old.

With regards,

Subject:Re: Signature on Plate
Posted By: Rob Sat, Jan 13, 2018

I thank you for the information. Do you have any recommendations as to how to further my research on the name or the plate itself? I would assume that it is not 600 years old, but I do find the piece interesting with a lot of character as it is very intricate. Just trying to nail down a time period, while at the same time expand my knowledge on the subject. I appreciate your assistance.

Subject:Re: Signature on Plate
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Jan 09, 2018

Sorry it ain't true, but it says "Great Ming Dynasty, Yongle Reign". Likely late 20th century or later. Any reason you don't wish to show the rest of the plate for opinions?

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Signature on Plate
Posted By: Rob Wed, Jan 10, 2018

Thank you both Nagy and Bill. As to your question Bill, here are pictures of the plate. It is probably hard to see in the pictures, but the plate is pretty detailed. The only mark on it is the stamp of which I posted the picture of. It seems to be constructed of a ceramic, or wood. I know this sounds funny, but it is actually difficult to tell. The image has always looked Japanese to me, but the stamp just stroke me as Chinese, but I do not read either. I purchased the plate back in the mid 90's at a yard sale in an upper middle class type neighborhood. The folks I bought it from had no idea what it was, or even how they came to own it, so I don't know if they bought it, it was given to them, etc. I just always thought it was really nice looking and was trying to gather info on it. Maybe the pictures will help. I thank you for your assistance and I look forward to hearing what you have to say.

Subject:Re: Signature on Plate
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Jan 11, 2018

I've seen these before and believe they are molded of a plasticized composite of some sort. Have seen otherwise well informed antique dealers stick labels of "White Cinnabar" on them. Not sure when or where that misnomer originated, but I believe these items date to the third quarter of the 20th century. The figures have somewhat of the same Barbie Doll look I've seen on women depicted in that era's paintings from China, but since I don't collect lacquer ware, I would be hard pressed to make a strong case for it being Chinese.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Signature on Plate
Posted By: Rob Sat, Jan 13, 2018

Bill H, thank you for the follow up. I am unfamiliar with White Cinnabar, I have never heard of it. I did do some searches for it and found a bunch of things of course. I did find some items on various sites that look exactly like my piece regarding colors, texture, and so on, just in different shapes like a bottle, etc. Pretty interesting, and it put me on to other items of interest as well, so the whole process has been pretty insightful. I appreciate all of the information and your help. | Associations | Articles | Exhibitions | Galleries |