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Subject:Satsuma vase
Posted By: John Mon, Dec 25, 2017 IP:

This is a large vase standing over 3 feet tall. Does anyone know age or value. Happy holidays and thanks in advance.

Subject:Re: Satsuma vase
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Dec 26, 2017

This vase is a Chinese blank that received its transfer-applied rose medallion veneer and faux Tongzhi reign mark at a porcelain ornamentation factory in Macao circa 1970-1990, according to What these decorative items bring depends on just how honest the seller and informed the buyer is in any given transaction. I suggest you sign on with and query their data base, using keywords "Macao rose medallion vase 36". It'll get you about a hundred pages, with some 2400 results (including repeats) to peruse. If that doesn't work, eBay should have some in their archive too.

Good luck,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Satsuma vase
Posted By: Martin Michels Tue, Dec 26, 2017

Not Satsuma, which is Japanese, but a Chinese "famille rose" vase with a seal mark saying: Da Qing Qianlong Nian Zhi = Great Qing Qianlong (emperor) period made.
What is striking is that the seal mark is not totally consistent with the usual Qianlog seal marks, compare with the included picture.
Perhaps the more experienced Forum experts on Chinese porcelain can tell you more about this vase.
For more info about Qianlong marks, see this link:


Subject:Re: Satsuma vase
Posted By: Bill H Wed, Dec 27, 2017

Thanks Martin for the reminder that this vase has a faux Qianlong mark and not the so-called faux Tongzhi mark, which was the last and most lasting thing to catch my eye when comparing my thoughts on the subject against the data. However, I'll stick with the 70s to 90s period for dating, because similar Chinese vases having such relatively well applied and appealing transfer decoration were on display at the Bangkok weekend market and some street shops when I was living in Thailand in the early 90's.

Differences in the real and fake Qianlong marks sort of fade to mootness when you consider how the Qianlong Emperor died some 60 years before rose medallion was produced as the pattern we still recognize today. Moreover, the Macao factory made this faux vase somewhere around 120 years or more after that first real rose medallion was produced. And lest we forget, porcelain decoration using printed transfers was invented in Liverpool in England in the 1750's and spread thereafter to the Continent. However, while it was adopted fairly early by the insular Japanese, Chinese porcelain producers only began using the process commercially in the post-Qing Republic era, when the manpower needed to make and decorate porcelain was decimated by the outbreak of civil and world wars.

But I predict those decorating factories will totally ignore these three alleged strikes against them.


Bill H.

Subject:Re: Satsuma vase
Posted By: Bokaba Wed, Dec 27, 2017

Satsuma is a Japanese soft paste ceramic. Your vase is Chinese, a rose medallion pattern, probably from the 1970s or later.

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