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Subject:Which one of these is worth bringing for TL test?
Posted By: Faizal Shariff Fri, Nov 24, 2017 IP: 88.208.39.74

I plan to bring 3items either to hkg or uk for non destructive test .. these are all from shipwrecks .. if u were me which one would you take?







Subject:Re: Which one of these is worth bringing for TL test?
Posted By: JLim Sat, Nov 25, 2017



Dear Mr Shariff

That's quite a lot of porcelain!

I understand that TL testing, because of its expense, is most useful for ceramics that are extremely hard to date by eye or feel - let's say blanc de chine from Fujian, or ancient tomb terracottas.

Blue and white porcelains like these are some of the easiest of all ceramics to date by eye (to put it another way, they are very hard to fake); you should also consider the damage potentially done to porcelains by TL testers, regardless of what they claim to be able to do.

There is also the fact that TL testing would actually give a less useful result than evaluation by eye; the only advantage would be the false security of having an "objective" scientific result over a "subjective" expert. (Admittedly there might also be financial reasons why a TL test paper might be a desirable thing to have should you sell the piece on).

It reminds me of my old archaeology class in university, where I was told that TL testing on Athenian vases (c. 500 BC) is actually *less* useful than a visual examination, since the physical appearance of the vases changed rapidly enough that you can date to within a couple of years, unlike the TL result. It is similar for blue and white export ware.

I would therefore recommend you simply get a visual evaluation from an expert on blue and white porcelain on all your objects.

If you still insist on TL testing, Anthony Allen strongly recommends Oxford Authentication as being trustworthy, thorough and not prone to being tricked by modern dodgy techniques (like using bits of genuine ancient ceramics within a modern fake...)

I would still strongly recommend a visual examination by an expert.

Kind regards
J.Lim

Subject:Re: Which one of these is worth bringing for TL test?
Posted By: JLim Sun, Nov 26, 2017



Dear Mr Shariff

Given your other recent post, and the fact that not one of the porcelains you have showed us closeups of have been genuine, or show any signs of having been in a shipwreck, I hope you will forgive my expressing concern over what exactly your relationship is with these porcelains, their owners and the person that allegedly dived to find them.

Are you acting as a purchaser? As an agent? As an authenticator? As a seller? Or as some form of stakeholder or family member?

I point out that Oxford Authentication maintains a full database of all its authentications, so the slip of paper by itself will be worthless.

Kind regards
J.Lim

Subject:Re: Which one of these is worth bringing for TL test?
Posted By: Faizal Shariff Mon, Nov 27, 2017

First of all thank you for your comment. Im sure you have your reasons on why you believe that all these are recently made and show no signs of shipwreck. I think you should read more on shipwrecks ceramics.

I found out that this is your profile or one of your many profiles. I hope you are not collaborating with other users here to undermine genuine items.


"Mark" is but one of the names used by a notorious scammer that has plagued the forum for years. Disregard any postings.

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Subject:Re: Which one of these is worth bringing for TL test?
Posted By: sue Tue, Nov 28, 2017

Hi
Sorry, but to the best of my experience J Lim is a knowledgeable, regular contributor to this forum. I enjoy his posts. He is not a scammer.
Regards
Sue

Subject:Re: Which one of these is worth bringing for TL test?
Posted By: JLim Tue, Nov 28, 2017



Dear Mr Shariff

My comments relate only to the porcelains for which we have seen a closeup, not the mass of porcelains seen in these images.

Kind regards
J.Lim


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