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Subject:Chinese straights tea tray&cup? Age?
Posted By: Brandon Mccloskey Wed, Nov 15, 2017 IP: 173.191.104.106

I have this tea tray, it came with one cup. I am unsure of the age and province. It is a heavy porcelain with enamel and "guilding". Unmarked and no glaze on the underside. I have had it for a while and just recently saw one of the same shape, unmarked with no bottom glaze. The only a difference was the motif and the one I saw sold for quite a substantial amount of money. Any info is greatly appriceated. P.s sorry for the poor picture quality.







Subject:Re: Chinese straights tea tray&cup? Age?
Posted By: Brandon Mccloskey Sun, Nov 19, 2017

Would higher resolution pictures help in identifying?

Subject:Re: Chinese straights tea tray&cup? Age?
Posted By: JLim Tue, Nov 21, 2017



Dear Mr McCloskey

I was startled to find this morning a photograph of a piece of Cantonese famille rose extremely similar in pattern to your own. Quite a coincidence! The picture is on p290 of Anthony Allen's latest book 1st edn, fig 31.1.9a, where he identifies it as an "unusual" pattern of late 19th century Canton famille rose made by a man (or factory) named Liang.

The similarities are really striking; the jumbling of objects, the colour scheme and in particular the peculiarity of the vase standing in front of a fat book.

I think the reasons we have been reluctant to respond is as follows.

First, the photographs are indeed quite blurry. Second, the levigation of the raw porcelain under the tray looks puzzlingly even and white.

Third, I am not sure if it is just the quality of the photographs, but there is an odd haze to both the objects, as if they have been artificially dulled down with dirt all over. Check out, for example, the surface of the tray, and the white interior of the teacup.

Fourth, you show the foot of the tray, but not the cup. The tray has a completely unglazed foot, which can be an awkward thing to date even for an expert.

Perhaps a photograph of the foot of the cup would be more useful, especially showing any flaws within the foot-glaze and the colour and texture of the footrim. Together perhaps with clearer photographs of both objects that show whether artificial dirt has - or has not! - been added to the upper surfaces.

Kind regards
J.Lim

Subject:Re: Chinese straights tea tray&cup? Age?
Posted By: Brandon Mccloskey Thu, Nov 23, 2017

Thank you so much! I will take new more thorough pictures, as you say they are hazy and I can see what you mean, hopefully they will "clear" things up lol. sorry. To my knowledge it is old, it came from an estate sale where I got quite a few nice other Antique pieces. The unglazed rough bottom is what really throws me off. Should I post the pictures as a response to this post or just create a new on?

Subject:Re: Chinese straights tea tray&cup? Age?
Posted By: JLim Sat, Nov 25, 2017



Dear Mr McCloskey

You can do either, I will probably see them either way. However, for clarity's sake it might be best just to post them in this thread.

Kind regards
J.Lim

Subject:Re: Chinese straights tea tray&cup? Age?
Posted By: Brandon mccloskey Sun, Dec 03, 2017

here are higher quality pictures, I hope they help.







Subject:Re: Chinese straights tea tray&cup? Age?
Posted By: Brandon mccloskey Sun, Dec 03, 2017

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