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Subject:chinese cloisonne vase, ming period
Posted By: jack Sun, Aug 06, 2017 IP: 5.102.236.106

Hello
I have this miniature 11.5 cm high, chinese cloisonne vase
It is very massive and well made and the bronze parts are heavily
Gilded, it is not marked.
I wanted to know what do you think about its age .







Subject:Why Ming, and not Qing?
Posted By: beadiste Sun, Aug 06, 2017

Perhaps a case could be made for a Qing piece featuring the "archaic" motifs that seemed to be popular in the 18th and 19th centuries?

Is it cast, or hammered metal?

Does the gilding seem like electroplating (in use since late 19th century), or mercury gilding?

Perhaps it's just an artifact of the photo, but the proportions seem a bit odd to me - a rather thick and heavy lip for such a small bottle? But that's just me, I'm certainly not an expert.

And of course many of the recent repros of older designs can be pretty convincing, so that always has to be kept in mind. Is it a family heirloom or did you find it in the market?

Subject:Re: Why Ming, and not Qing?
Posted By: Jack Mon, Aug 07, 2017

Thank you for the fast replay, this piece is made fro hammered brass, and it is Mercury gilt, the actual cloisonne is very massive and thick.
This piece is from my family collection so I know it has a good provenance .
I did see some Ming examples that are very similar to this one

Subject:Re: Why Ming, and not Qing?
Posted By: jack Tue, Aug 08, 2017

some more pics







Subject:Similar piece described as Qianlong
Posted By: beadiste Thu, Aug 10, 2017

Note the ruyi borders arrangement and banana leaves motif.

http://www.neret-tessier.com/html/fiche.jsp?id=3506810&np=1&lng=fr&npp=10000&ordre=1&aff=1&r=



Subject:Re: Why Ming, and not Qing?
Posted By: Corey Thu, Aug 10, 2017

@ beadiste. I wonder if I could get your opinion about this cloisonne vase that is possibly connected with Fonthill heriloom collection:

https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/52325046_a-chinese-gilt-brass-and-cloisonne-lamp

The quality of the later added brass work resembles those addes to the cloisonne works in the Fonthill collection, and in the same sale from that particular auction house, there was a vase almost identical to a vase posted by 'connor mcgregor', which had a Fonthill Heriloom sticker to the base.

The vase from liveauctioneers just turned up at ebay, but where the brass settings have been removed, so you can see the details, including the base with the mark and the footrim:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHINESE-BLUE-AND-WHITE-PORCELAIN-MEIPING-VASE-WITH-DRAGONS-/182674389101?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=h8mOn7j2FVyJj5TAxzjmrLTWIdM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

It was dated to the 20th century however, but there is at least one example of a similar vase sold in "real" auction house that was also dated to the twenty century, but sold for the price of an imperial mark and period example:

http://www.neret-tessier.com/html/fiche.jsp?id=4505864&np=&lng=fr&npp=150&ordre=&aff=&r=

Direct link is to the thread with the vase of conor mcgregor.

This post is not relevant to the post by jack, but I hope he don't mind. It's a very nice vase by the way ...



URL Title :Qianlong Nine Dragon Vase Belonging To Conor Mcgregor


Subject:Bottle from incense set?
Posted By: beadiste Thu, Aug 10, 2017

In Beatrice Quette's book, she remarks:

"The complete set of incense instruments includes an incense container, a bottle holding a spatula, and a pair of tongs for handling incense and ash."

Illustrated on page 76 of the book is a small bottle from the Clague collection now housed at the Phoenix Art Museum, with a Qianlong mark on its base.

Subject:Re: Bottle from incense set?
Posted By: jack Sat, Aug 12, 2017

Thank you all for your replay, i wanted to ask beadiste if he can please post a picture of the vase that is on the book mentioned


Thank you all very much

Subject:Re: Bottle from incense set?
Posted By: jack Sat, Aug 12, 2017

Thank you all for your replay, i wanted to ask beadiste if he can please post a picture of the vase that is on the book mentioned


Thank you all very much


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