Subject:Re: Tongzhi Mark & Period Plate
Posted By: Bill H Wed, Jul 05, 2017
I believe a retraction is in order regarding what turns out to be a misconception on my part about the Tongzhi mark continuing to be used during the Guangxu period. This impinges on what I'd previously said in portions of my catalog shown at the link above. After re-reading pertinent references again, I found I'd made an unwarranted assumption based on something said in a book I read more than 20 years ago. Moreover, I'd failed to consider a rule of thumb in Tony Allen's recent book, which while having a modicum of leeway for inevitable exceptions, generally holds that fake Tongzhi marks didn't appear until about 1980. This also is borne out tacitly by the best Mainland publication available on Chinese porcelain markings, which shows no fake marks under its Tongzhi heading.
So having confessed my confusion, I'll do penance by striking the opening two sentences of my July 3rd second paragraph, and revising the remainder as:
The link below shows pieces in this insect & flower pattern from my collection catalog, beginning with a probable Guangxu mark & period dish, followed by one with identical glazing and firing characteristics and an earlier period mark of the Tonghzi reign, which according to a rule of thumb from author Tony Allen, was immune from fakery until around 1980. My earlier suspicion that the pair of Tongzhi marked sauce dishes shown last might be of a later period also is negated by the same rule of thumb found in the most recent Allen book.
The preceding underscores points made in another Bokaba thread a few days ago, about how my catalog, which was begun years ago, now needs many revisions like this to put judgments fully in the framework of current research before it will be ready for serious exposure on the web.
Now, I wonder if the forum has any all-expense paid sabbaticals which will get me into shape to revamp my catalog. (;)
P.S., for F. Mina: based on current information, I'll have to accept Bokaba's dish as probably of the Tongzhi period. The added information he found involves a pair of Daoguang-marked saucers that seem to be within tolerances of marks shown for that period in the Weishaupt Collection catalog titled "From the Dragon's Treasure".