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Subject:Is this an early XVIII century familly-verte piece ?
Posted By: sergio coelho Sun, Nov 01, 2009 IP: 187.67.150.123

Is this an early XVIII century familly-verte piece ?







Subject:Re: Is this an early XVIII century familly-verte piece ?
Posted By: Cal Sun, Nov 01, 2009

No, 'famille verte' enamels have limited range colors, the enamels including the green is translucent, pure.

Your piece mass-made molded, hasty decoration with color washes instead of details how textiles drape and details architecture. Faded purple, pea-green, darker almost khaki green, muddied colors say maybe as early as 1890s but more likely 1920s-1930s.

Enjoy literacy subject.

Good luck,
Cal

Subject:Re: Is this an early XVIII century familly-verte piece ?
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Nov 01, 2009

Hello Sergio,

This is a serving platter that we Yanks call a 'shrimp dish' and the Brits refer to as a 'nappie'. The flat extension from its top is its handle, called the 'comb'.

Your piece probably was made circa the third quarter of the 19th century. I'm guesstimating the date based on condition, which suggests the dish was misfired in the kiln. Something about the black pigment around this period made it quite volatile, and until the enamelers learned to compensate by applying a clear coat of glaze over it, it faded out as is seen here. It is my impression that this problem was quite prevalent in the early years after the Taiping rebellion, which included the Tongzhi reign (1861-74).

It should be noted that the same deterioration of enamels can occur if someone tries to repair or repaint and refire such a dish but gets the kiln too hot.

Here's a 10.5 in charger in a similar pattern from the late second quarter of the 19th century. Your dish and this one are both painted in the famille verte palette, although this particular treatment of the colors sometimes is called 'Mandarin Blue'.

Best regards,

Bill H



Subject:Re: Is this an early XVIII century familly-verte piece ?
Posted By: sergio coelho Wed, Nov 04, 2009

Thanks to all for the helpful answers.

Sergio.


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